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All Forum Posts by: Josiah Sia

Josiah Sia has started 15 posts and replied 89 times.

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Frank Maratta:

@Josiah Sia

What is your main reason for choosing this plan over the typical leveraging strategies out there?

Here’s a thought somewhere in between - what if you took a note on each property , kept buying properties, but calculated the monthly payment amount to pay that property off at the end of 10 years. So property #1 bought in year 1 you would amortize over 10 years. Property #2 bought in year 2 you would amortize over 9.... ect. Your first properties would have the lowest monthly payment, and this works since your cash flow is at its lowest in the beginning. Your later properties may be amortized over 2-5 years (depending on when purchase), but your cash flow is also highest at this point. Using leverage like this would enable you to buy more deals quicker at the beginning and get your cash flow higher at the beginning, where you need it most. If you ran into a problem or needed a major repair, you could back off the 10 year amortization schedule for each house and just pay the regular 30 year amortization payment the bank requires.

Just an idea.

I'm a complete noob but you have my interest. The reason I didn't think about this is because I don't really know what a note is... or amortization. 

*taking a break to read about that now* 

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Junior Soares:
@Josiah Sia You're plan is a great one! Theres nothing like a paid off property! I'm not a fan of the whole 90% LTV investing. I personally own 40-100% of of all of my properties granted I only have a handful, to me it beats owning 100 highly leveraged properties. I sleep great at night! Slow and steady wins the race, lifes beautiful. Enjoy the hustle ita good for you

That's great to hear Junior. The more I hear other people who have plans/goals like the one I'm hoping to achieve, the more pumped I get to reaching the 10 year mark hahah 

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Steve B.:

@Josiah Sia so if I’m reading this correctly you gross about 180k a year but have 32k total in savings or less?

About $145k a year with 48k savings. 

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Haseeb M.:

@Josiah Sia

Good plan. Allocate cash judicially, sometimes it saves money to finance. Financing also frees up cash to scale.

My $0.02 - Start REI soon. It cannot happen soon enough and it never is too late.

Definitely. Planning to start this year sometime with my first MFH! 

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Josh Bakhshi:

Josiah,

I love your goal and plan.  Good for you!!!  Limit your risk by paying cash, don't drop your day job if you get a good income from it and you enjoy going to work. But still understand this is still a BUSINESS.  It will still demand your time and attention.  You wont get there overnight, but with you mindset, you WILL GET THERE!

Good luck

Thank you! I love it too the more and more I hear others provide their feedback. This community is so great. I've already learned so much and have been able to account for so many aspects I didn't even think about. Overage, extra overheads, inflation, medical and health insurance, etc. It's amazing!

I appreciate the kind words. I need to steel my mind so it doesn't waiver. This is going to feel like a long 10 years but by the time it's done, it's going to feel short compared to doing something else and waiting to retire at 65!

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Ola Dantis:

@Josiah Sia Hey Josiah, first I think your plan is brilliant. 

However, I'll urge you to give yourselves some leeway for the surprises along the way! That way, you don't feel deflated when you feel like a hit a roadblock or overwhelmed with inertia. Remember, it will happen and it is part of the process. 

In addition, the reason you might not see a lot of people mentioning or doing this type of approach is that it can be cash-heavy as paying a mortgage down requires some cash infusion usually from other sources. That said, if you guys are able to pull it off, I think that would fantastic! 👍

Thank you for the words of encouragement Ola. I'm definitely trying to map it out so its "ready" for those speed bumps and road blocks. Definitely can't catch them all but I can definitely prepare! hahah 

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Erik W.:

@Josiah Sia,

Regarding your capital expense reserved, I think $10,000 per unit is a safe enough place to stop, unless you have really high end units.  Let's say you end up with 5 units.  At $50,000 in cash reserved you could stop saving.  With that amount, you could handle multiple repairs on several properties at once while continuing to stockpile cash.  A $10,000 roof + $6,000 HVAC system + new resilient flooring ($4,000) wouldn't even drain your reserves below 50%, even if you did them all in one year.  Then those items shouldn't have to be redone again for at least 15-20 years, leaving you plenty of time to use cash flow from all units to rebuild your reserves.

That's good to hear. I was wondering when would be a good stopping point. Like if I had 20 units... do I really need $200,000 in cash reserves... lol

Those repair #'s all sound about average in my area too. (Had some experience with them after we got hail here) Thanks again!

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Jonathan R.:

The reason I like buying in cash and/or having no leverage is it is harder for me to spend my money as it is tied up. :) It is hard to justify selling an asset producing 20% (even a bit north of 20%). Leverage can be considered lazy at times, perhaps you can work a little harder, sell something, strategize and buy in cash, leverage might mean you don’t grind as hard. Perhaps it’s not time to scale up, buy a cash property or two and grow in a healthy way. Then do it again. 

By the way, Undercover Billionaire on Discovery Channel is too perfect right now. One of the best shows in tv. Cheers.

 Haha, force my $ away so I can't spend it. Good deal! :)

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

It’s a reasonable solid plan but a slow one and I think your being optimistic in your estimation on how many it will take and how much you will need . Leverage is your friend it will allow you to accelerate at a much quicker pace . Paying cash for your properties does have advantages Most notably when times get tough and the economy dips

Definitely Dennis. I was 100% being way too optimistic. I'm adjusting the totals in my calculations now to be much more to cover for all the overhead and other expenses I didn't think of. Thank you!

Post: Downsides for conservative investing?

Josiah SiaPosted
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Originally posted by @Anthony Gayden:
Originally posted by @Josiah Sia:

Howdy! 

Looking into getting into REI and have been looking at different systems and vehicles to get me there. We don't have any huge goals of owning 1,000+ units or raking in millions a month. Our goal is just to replace our monthly income of roughly $10,000/month passively within the next 10 years. That's it! 

Looking into ways to do this conservatively and one of the methods that really stood out to me was buying a MFH (2-4 units), paying it off, then taking the full rent + savings from our FT jobs and snowballing the same process over and over until our goals are reached. 

Averaging the rents around $700/unit in our area, that would only take 15 units to be fully paid off to achieve $10,000/monthly passive income. We have a decent amount of income since we've reduced our mortgage, auto loans, and adjusted our budget to live significantly below our means. This is definitely achievable in 10 years if we buy 3 quadplexes and a triplex, or 8 duplexes, etc.

I know this isn't the normal investing kind of plan I see out there but this is how we could leverage REI to meet our specific goals to reach financial freedom.

I'd like to ask the seasoned veterans here if there is anything inherently wrong with this plan? Is there anything else I should know about before setting this as "the plan." I don't see this kind of plan talked about very often or at all. Most everyone is looking into BRRRR and other types of trade-up systems.

I have met a few people who do this sort of thing. They usually fall into a couple of categories.

1. Highly paid professionals or business owners who have very high incomes and no interest in learning about investing. They buy houses cash and enjoy the cash flow.

2. People who buy very low cost rentals (under $50,000). These properties are often in declining inner cities or extremely rural areas. The cost of the properties are so low that acquiring them with cash and not already being a millionaire is not difficult.

3. Someone who owns several rental properties and literally paid them off over a 30 year mortgage period.

You said in your post that you have a decent amount in income. How much is that? Where I live a 4 unit building costs $200,000+. If you are able to save $30,000 a year, it will take almost 7 years to buy one property.

I don't even consider it a "conservative" investing style because those who do it lose a lot of the benefits of using leverage, which means it puts your own personal money at more risk.

By decent amount of income, about $48k a year to put towards RE. I'm not extremely high paid, but I also live in a low cost of living city. This is after taxes and expenses. My wife and I have drastically reduced our loans/expenses/mortgages etc. We are living below 50% of our total income. (And still comfortable)

I put an example plan in my response to Jason about how I'm planning to work on the pay offs. 

I completely see your point in the leveraging though... I'm open to adjusting the plan as needed as deals come and go. If it's a hot year for deals I'm open to purchasing more than normal. And if its a cold year, I could use that "dry period" to pay off mortgages.