All Forum Posts by: Josue Vargas
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Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Brian Ploszay:
I would be cautious with your plan. If you are experienced with real estate, would be an acceptable plan. If this is your first time investing, there are many mistakes to be made and your retirement could be at risk. Real estate is usually not passive. You run the business and are responsible for operating the property. It takes work...
I have two rental properties in Puerto Rico (not the same as in USA, rent there is low but costs are low too), and one deal done here in the states (hold for 4 years, took the appreciation of ~20%). Just recently purchased a SFH in mind to rented out after paying the majority of the mortgage (perhaps within 5 years) and then buy another SFH for investment (hold and rent). So my experience here is not great but with a good start I think. Now looking for alternatives to put my former employer 401K at work in RE. I need to learn more about options on SDIRA, notes, etc. or take the tax hit... Thanks for the advice!
Post: Self-directed IRA in RE investment and mortgage notes. Benefits?
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Originally posted by @Dmitriy Fomichenko:
Your understanding is correct: when you take money from your 401k before normal retirement age - you would have to pay taxes and penalties on the amount withdrawn, in most cases this is not a wise financial move.
Alternatively you can move these funds into Self-Directed IRA, without any tax implications. Then you have the freedom to invest into virtually any asset: real estate, mortgage notes, precious metals, multi-family syndication, note funds, private lending, etc. etc.
Investing in notes is my favorite for retirement accounts for several reasons: passive investing, low risk (if you do your due diligence), good returns.
This topic has been discussed here on the forum many times, I suggest you search the forum for the related discussions and you can learn a lot.
I have not search yet for the topic in BP but will do.
Is this something the average financial consultant could help me out (example good medium local company, not the Fidelity or Edward-Jones type)?
Also you said is low risk with due diligence. I'm new to this and while I can learn I do not have the time to spend on the short term, so I don't want to put all my assets in that investment account with something I'm not familiar. Believe there are companies that manage this type of investments. Or investing in notes is something very specific that I should look for more expert consultant?
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Philip McCleary:
Absolutely - I have already whacked my 401k twice and picked up several assets all producing considerably higher ROI than the stock market.
So, did you take the tax and penalty hit and moved on with the REI? What type of property did you invest with your retirement plan?
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Ben Aragon:
@Josue Vargas
And if you go the SDIRA route, which I also believe you should, make sure you understand the Do’s and Don’ts of it.
Your #3 above, “something I could do myself” with regards to fixing and/or maintaining is a no-no. Providing “sweat equity” is a prohibited transaction.
Would that include very minor stuff like painting a wall or two, fixing the broken kitchen faucet, exchange of light fixtures, and this type of things that will take less than $500 overall? What if I sub to fix-up these things? What should I do if I need to fix something that comes-up in the inspection report and is in need of repair?
Post: Self-directed IRA in RE investment and mortgage notes. Benefits?
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Recently I had questions about moving or withdraw funds from former employer 401K account to invest in RE. I've learned it takes a lot of impact with taxes and penalties and better off to move funds to Self-directed IRA.
Someone suggested to move the 401K funds to self-direct IRA and invest in RE and mortgage notes, since the move will not take taxes or penalties implications. I'm not sure how this works.
Any help from experienced investors with this type of transactions?
Thank you,
Josue Vargas, P.E.
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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This have been very helpful. Thank you all for your input and information. I have learned key points and looking forward to talk to a professional financial consultant.
Cheers,
Josue Vargas, P.E.
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Jason D.:
If I take the tax hit, I can use approx. $80K, but leaving in the table approx. $30K, and that's a big hit. I don't have the time to do flips or "BRRRR", I'm full-time employee and travel is an issue too. I'm looking for properties in areas that have little to non-vacancy and rent to individuals with high or stable income. Where I live there are pockets of areas with the following options: Low up-front cost single family near military bases, or luxury town-homes for people with businesses that frequently travel to the area. After all, in the market I'm living and the type of properties I'm looking for there is very little chance of having a property with good cash-flow. I do not want to spend the time and have headaches with tenants with low income or properties that will deteriorate faster (maintenance, cap expenditures, plus chances of eviction).
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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@James Canoy
What I’m hearing in this forum is that I cannot take a loan against my former employer 401K where the bulk of the money is now. Wondering if I can transfer to current employer 401K account and then take a loan against it.
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Brian Eastman:
@Angel Perez The 401(k) that @Josue Vargas is referring to is from a former employer. A loan is no longer an option on that plan.
That is correct. I have two accounts with Vanguard, one from former employer and one with current employer. Can I move my former employer account to the current and then take a loan? What are usually the terms to pay-off the 401K loan?
Also, I have an ESOP with former employer that will start distributing on Apr this year, one payment each year for 5 years. I believe if I cash-out will get hit with the same penalties and taxes as 401K.
Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?
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Originally posted by @Brian Eastman:
You have received several recommendations here to look into a self-directed retirement plan. I would have to agree that seems to align very much with your goals.
If you were to withdraw from the 401(k), you would get hit with federal and state taxes, plus a 10% penalty for early distribution. That will make the recent 10% decline in value look small by comparison.
If you rollover the old 401(k) to a self-directed IRA, there are no taxes or penalties, you are simply changing the retirement plan format the funds are in. With a self-directed IRA, you can diversify out of the current volatility in the stock market and put that capital to work in something like rental property or mortgage notes where the principal is backed by a reasonably secure and stable asset that produces consistent cash flow. You can do a lot better than $50/month from a rental, however.
Several providers of self-directed plans are active here on Bigger Pockets. There are also a variety of plan formats with different costs and benefits depending on what you intend to invest in, such as having a 3rd party custodian be your processor or creating checkbook control. Do some reading and then get on the phone and speak with a few of us. There is a lot to learn, but it is certainly worth the effort if you can take more control of your savings.
And @Steve K. is spot on with his so beautifully described point about knowing the rules (thanks for the chuckle!). Such plans are purely a means to diversify the IRA and may not be mixed with personal funds or used to benefit you personally today.
Thanks for the advice. As a note, I have about 40% on Roth in the plan. That said, I will be paying taxes on 60% of the 401K withdraw plus the 10% penalty. I'm currently in the 24% IRS bracket, so after all I will get hit with approx. 26% overall. I will explore options to move the 401K into a SDIRA and then figure out what can I do for investment in RE.



