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All Forum Posts by: Josue Vargas

Josue Vargas has started 19 posts and replied 798 times.

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Kelly P.:

@Josue Vargas

I used my IRA to create a checkbook IRA LLC to buy real estate to avoid the tax implication of withdrawal.

Here’s an overview podcast by the CEO

https://youtu.be/pz84p8WSNzA

Here's a link to their company that creates the checkbook IRA

https://www.irafinancialtrust.com/

 Thank you! Listened to the podcast and learned many things.  Thanks for the referral again.  

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
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Originally posted by @Christine C.:

@Josue Vargas if it hasn't been stated already, 1. you can def roll your old co. 401k over to your new co 401k (no penalty no withdrawal), have done that several times in my career. 2 you can roll either or both of these to an IRA or ROTH (depending on income) 3. be aware that an SDIRA must be conducted at "arms length", meaning you cannot "personally" be engaged in, or benefit from, the transaction/property - only the "IRA" benefits. It is a great way to have more control in your investment choices via real estate but not a cash flow proposition. This means, no sweat equity, no monthly cash flow TO YOUR POCKET, you cannot personally purchase or sell the asset, must be transacted by a 3rd party. For example, I handle SDIRA purchases and sales for other RE Agents who cannot transact for themselves. Some use it for buy and hold, others use it to wholesale properties (I'm sure there are other scenarios but these are the ones I see most often) It's a great way to leverage REI for the long-term with your existing retirement monies and not be penalized!

I will like to have more control on my investment such as cash flow, appreciation and sell if I want to, and use that to roll it over other REI, which sounds is not an option with the SDIRA. I will keep learning on the topic. Thank you!

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Amy Beth:

@Josue Vargas. I would leave that money alone. One day you will be glad to have it. Instead if you are investing in a 401k with a new company, I would stop contributing after the match and use that money to save up to invest in real estate. Perhaps you can also live on a stricter budget and find more money from your income to save for a down payment.

 I'm contributing to my current employer 401K the minimum match and some more.  I'm not going to discuss here my personal financial situation.  I can say I'm not living on the edge and have enough income from other properties and salary to buy if I wanted to.  The issue is to do something with the former employer 401K that is not receiving any contributions (myself or former employer of course) and put it at work, preferably in RE.  That's why I was asking ways to move it from there and explore more options.  Thanks for your advice!

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Al Pat:

@Josue Vargas for about $50 cash flow? That would be way up with single incident of roof replacement or HVAC replacement. Even a water heater replacement will more than one year’s cash flow. Unless you are getting over 15% cash on cash return, withdrawal from 401k would be unwise decision.

I would advise against touching 401k for RE investment even though it may be tempting. You want to create multiple streams of income and they may not produce equally but provides safety net. Leave your 401k alone.

 I need to do something with my former employer 401K account and not leaving it alone.  As a note, the $50 cash flow have 10% cap ex., 5% maintenance, 10% management,  taxes, mortgage, and all that good stuff.  So I understand the risk of repairing cap. ex. and that was just an example of the typical Type A property you can get here where I live and in this particular market.  Of course, negotiations when buying a property for these big items vs condition is something I always do.  Thanks for the advice!

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Jamie Souza:

@Josue Vargas I think your cash flow goal per property should be at least $400 a month. $50 there’s no margin of error. You can make A lot more than that!!! Good luck!!

I agree that $50 cash flow is almost none, but I don't want the headaches that comes typically with the $400/month cash flow. I want to invest in "A" type properties, not the fixer-upper or "BRRRR" in questionable neighborhoods. Where I live, you have to spend way too much time to find a really good deal for type "A' properties that gives you less than $200/month cash flow. Of course, I will keep looking for the best deal I can get. Thanks for the advice!

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Jon Segura:

@Josue Vargas - 100% yes. now i would do my due diligence before purchasing my first investment property. so you would definitely need to start working #pronto my friend

That's not the issue.  I'm familiar with my area and know the numbers.  Just trying to figure out to get access from my former employer 401K without taking extreme hit on taxes and get the best I can from that account. 

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
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Taking a loan against 401K seems contradictory of what I'm trying to do.  Move former employer 401K to RE investment is my goal.  I will keep and contribute to current employer 401K that matches some.  

Some other things that I have not mention is that I have an option to buy stocks from my current employer at a discount, so wondering if I can buy stocks by rolling former employer 401K to current company. 

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Steve K.:
Originally posted by @Josue Vargas:
Originally posted by @Ben Aragon:

@Josue Vargas

And if you go the SDIRA route, which I also believe you should, make sure you understand the Do’s and Don’ts of it.

Your #3 above, “something I could do myself” with regards to fixing and/or maintaining is a no-no. Providing “sweat equity” is a prohibited transaction.

Would that include very minor stuff like painting a wall or two, fixing the broken kitchen faucet, exchange of light fixtures, and this type of things that will take less than $500 overall?  What if I sub to fix-up these things?  What should I do if I need to fix something that comes-up in the inspection report and is in need of repair? 

there is no "very minor stuff"

the IRS is very specific

you can choose to do it and hope they won't ever check, but know that it's against the rules...

 I'm in no way trying to break the law/rules, just want to know better before doing any moves.  

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Mike Bargetto:

We just took our final draw on our retirement accounts, IRA's and 401k's. I am 34 and my wife is 31. The tax bill is going to be over $100,000 from these accounts alone but we want full control over OUR money. Investing that much capital and waiting 25-28 years isn't in our plan(we weren't re investors when we started them). With internal rates of return on REI being North of 20% in the first year of ownership, paying the penalties/taxes up front far surpasses a) being subject to waiting until "retirement age" to collect, and b) being subjected to future tax rates for said accounts. For us it was an easy decision because we have a plan. These funds will only lead to greater wealth creation faster due to an increase in control. Hope that helps.

 You have a good point.  Paying high taxes now form the 401K after withdraw or paying low taxes at age 59 1/2 after distribution.  Interesting.

Post: Smart move? Would you withdraw from 401K to invest in RE?

Josue VargasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 814
  • Votes 466
Originally posted by @Joseph A.:
I cashed out my 401k and I'm in the process of aquiring my first property. The choice was a no brainier once I didn't have an employer matching my contribution.

 Was this your first house?  I believe there are no penalties to withdraw from 401K to purchase primary residence, which is not my case.