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All Forum Posts by: Kelly Boulton

Kelly Boulton has started 7 posts and replied 38 times.

Post: Wholesale friendly title company

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hey Ronnie, 

 can't help you with Volusia County specifically, but I reliably use RTR Title in Orlando. They provide mobile notaries if proxiity is an issue.  The owner/operator is an attorney and she is a long time member of CFRI.  Hope this helps!

https://rtrtitle.com/

Post: Help to find buyers %

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Kyle,

I usually ask my buyers what their ROI needs to be. Every buyer is different in my experience, and so is every deal. Over the last 14+ months, I've seen bigger funds begin to look for deals at 60%, which isn't the easiest find. That being said, when I'm looking for deals to market I try to stay closer to 70%. Most buyers will at least be intrigued in that range.

Post: Subject to & Wrap Mortgage Buyers

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Kelly Boulton:
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

@Samira Beheshtian says she and team bought or are buying property with "sub to or wrap" but then says buyer might stop paying - as if there is a wholesaler in the middle selling off a wrapped property. So who is on title? Who is on first base? Samira your question is worded with double meaning or by mistake?

No an owner or seller or buyer can't just go change the locks and put people on the curb for non payment. You have to go to court, have evidence, get a judgement, then enforce it on the correct exact same named people. This takes money and time. The servicer can accelerate the note and foreclose while you are trying to get to get a judgement.

  1. Serve written notice on the correct persons
  2. File eviction papers
  3. Go to court
  4. pray they don't come with disputes

File foreclosure, evict tenants, pay attorney $90000, wait 18 months and while it wrecks your credit pray the foreclosure doesn't go to final.                                    @Kelly Boulton the original lender's servicer and trustees of note have zero obligation to accept or offer deed in lieu. Deed in lieu still shows on seller's credit as does non payment for all the months going 30 60 120 days late. Seller's credit harmed for 4-7 years. If there was fraud even worse. Fraud examples: faking the transfer deed as family transfer or to look like a trust, lying to hazard insurance company to line up the loss payee... If there is a tenant seller has to go to court to evict them as well. Seller cannot sell the property as the deed is no longer in their name. A land trust does zero to protect the seller. A land trust makes the court procedures one step harder and disclose to the public everything that was done and who the players really are.


 Thanks for the great info Caroline!  I was thinking of an agreed upon Deed in Lieu for the second mortgage on the wrap.  I understand that the original lender/servicer doesn't have to accept this, but I was reading it that Samira was paying the 1st mortgage herself and was worried about the wrap to her buyer.  

Is it not possible to agree upon a Deed in Lieu voluntarily as a part of the contract for the wrap?  My apologies, if I've shared inaccurate information.


you cannot pre sign DILs  it is illegal and unenforceable.  although done all the time of course but still wont hold up if challenged.

 Gotcha.  That is the info I couldn't verify. So would there be any enforceable way to prevent a foreclosure ahead of time?  Would it make sense to instead sign a lease option contract?

Post: Subject to & Wrap Mortgage Buyers

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Tom Gimer:

There's a lot of good information in this thread but if you want to deal proactively with a buyer default and also avoid having to foreclose I do think it can be done... you just need everybody to agree how it will happen up front and put the docs and mechanism in place.

And @Jay Hinrichs makes a valid point that it can screw up title going forward but it does at least get the deadbeat off title where he/she/it is doing all the damage.

 I definitely thought it would be possible to have the 2nd mortgage be dealt with proactively with the Deed in Lieu.  Although, like @Caroline Gerardo mentioned these documents must be enforceable, otherwise there is nothing proactive about it.

@Samira Beheshtian With the wrap, are you planning to receive payment from the buyer and make payments to the 1st mortgage yourself, to ensure the 1st doesn't default?

Also, with the original purchase you made, is it titled to a land trust?

Post: Subject to & Wrap Mortgage Buyers

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

@Samira Beheshtian says she and team bought or are buying property with "sub to or wrap" but then says buyer might stop paying - as if there is a wholesaler in the middle selling off a wrapped property. So who is on title? Who is on first base? Samira your question is worded with double meaning or by mistake?

No an owner or seller or buyer can't just go change the locks and put people on the curb for non payment. You have to go to court, have evidence, get a judgement, then enforce it on the correct exact same named people. This takes money and time. The servicer can accelerate the note and foreclose while you are trying to get to get a judgement.

  1. Serve written notice on the correct persons
  2. File eviction papers
  3. Go to court
  4. pray they don't come with disputes

File foreclosure, evict tenants, pay attorney $90000, wait 18 months and while it wrecks your credit pray the foreclosure doesn't go to final.                                    @Kelly Boulton the original lender's servicer and trustees of note have zero obligation to accept or offer deed in lieu. Deed in lieu still shows on seller's credit as does non payment for all the months going 30 60 120 days late. Seller's credit harmed for 4-7 years. If there was fraud even worse. Fraud examples: faking the transfer deed as family transfer or to look like a trust, lying to hazard insurance company to line up the loss payee... If there is a tenant seller has to go to court to evict them as well. Seller cannot sell the property as the deed is no longer in their name. A land trust does zero to protect the seller. A land trust makes the court procedures one step harder and disclose to the public everything that was done and who the players really are.


 Thanks for the great info Caroline!  I was thinking of an agreed upon Deed in Lieu for the second mortgage on the wrap.  I understand that the original lender/servicer doesn't have to accept this, but I was reading it that Samira was paying the 1st mortgage herself and was worried about the wrap to her buyer.  

Is it not possible to agree upon a Deed in Lieu voluntarily as a part of the contract for the wrap?  My apologies, if I've shared inaccurate information.

Post: Subject to & Wrap Mortgage Buyers

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Samira,

I would look into a Deed in Lieu of Foreclosure.  It is a VOLUNTARY contract that both the borrower and "lender" sign agreeing that if the borrower cannot make payments they are willing to sign the deed back over without going through the foreclosure process.  From what I understand, it is a simple contract, but has complex outcomes if not done correctly. I would make sure you have an attorney review and draw up the contract even though there are templates for such a contract to be found online.  

I'm not sure how this would work in your situation exactly, since you have acquired it as a sub-to.  Although, I would advise that if you haven't already, you put the property in a land trust. 

Not sure if this is helpful at all, but definitely look into a deed in Lieu.  Good Luck!

Post: Seasoned FL Wholesaler (20-30 deals/month) Introduction

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Steven!  Welcome to BP.  I wholesale with a partner in the Central Florida region.  I'm anchored in Orlando, but find most of our deals outside the city.  We aren't doing 20-30 deals per month...yet, but I'm sure I could provide some insight to the market here, as well as having access to local end buyers.

I'd love to connect with you, and we are always open to JV deals - both ways!

Post: Multi Family with OWC financing.. what is a good "deal" on OWC?

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

I would say that a good deal is what you and the seller feel good about.  Like others have mentioned, you may be willing to pay more for the sales price to get a lower rate and vice versa.

I work with a lot of owner finance deals and I don't believe these types of deals are as elusive as folks think.  The key to these deals is finding out what the seller wants out of it, and pairing your needs for a win-win.  

The seller is usually looking for either a large down payment, a balloon, or a specific end sales price.  Through the last 18 months, while interest rates for conventionals have been high, I find that sellers aren't concerned as much about what the interest rate is, but how much that interest rate yields at the end of loan.

There is so much more flexibility with Owner Finance, if you are willing to have these conversations with the seller.  

FHA MF loans are great...IF the appraisal, deferred maintenance, and rental self-sufficiency test work out according to guidelines. And I'm not saying this happens often, but the last MF FHA transaction I worked through, hinged completely on the appraiser's choice of rental comps in the immediate area. We got an appraiser that chose to use the lowest rentals on the same street as the subject property, and refused to look further in the same neighborhood, same type of building. There were tons of accurate comps to be presented, and believe me...I presented them, but he declined to include them. Once that FHA appraisal/self-sufficiency test was locked, it was stuck with the property for 6 months. The buyer had to scramble to use a non-conforming loan, put tons more money down, and almost lost out on the sale.


Owner Finance options would have avoided these complications. In fact, we asked the seller if they'd consider it, to no avail.   If you are interested in having a second pair of eyes to look at the possibilities of OWC and what may be a "good" deal, message me and I'd be happy to connect!

Otherwise, good luck!

Post: Tampa or Orlando That`s the question

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

As many others have said, both markets are great.  I am in Orlando, but focus on investments throughout Central Florida.  I would say that the specifically the Orlando and Tampa markets are becoming highly saturated, and that I wouldn't expect the growth to continue at this rate for much longer.  Personally, I am focusing on the corridor between Orlando and Tampa.  Polk, Lake, and Hernando Counties.  As both of these cities continue to grow, more and more focus is being put on developing the areas that surround these cities.  A perfect example would be Lakeland, Fl in Polk County.  Right in between both Orlando and Tampa.  Another good example would be Ocala, Fl in Marion County.  It is a little further north than Orlando and Tampa, but is becoming more and more populated with new jobs, growth, and homes. 

In these smaller, growing cities that are not necessarily as populated or popular yet, you have room for lots of appreciation, but you also get better cash flow opportunity, that you don't have to wait for.

Post: Central Florida off market properties

Kelly Boulton
Posted
  • Realtor
  • Florida
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 24

Hi Edward!  I'm not sure how I'm just seeing this now, but I can definitely be of assistance.  I focus primarily on off-market, creative financing, and wholesale investment deals.  Let's connect if you are still looking.  And even if not, I'd love to have a good contractor in the area on my go-to list :)