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All Forum Posts by: Luke Tetreault

Luke Tetreault has started 14 posts and replied 43 times.

Post: High % private money worth it for a few years, if I can come no money out of pocket?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Luke Tetreault:

I have an apartment building I am currently structuring financing on, I am going back and forth on my options. I have a private lender who is willing to lend the purchase, closings and renovations. I come out of pocket zero. Now to make the loan he has to move a few things around, so to make it worth him doing that he would like to guarantee 5 years of %. After 5 years I could cash him out and refi with a local credit union at a much better rate. It would still cash flow in the mean time, and on the cash out refi I would be able to get out all of his investment due to this being a great deal. Now my question is, would it be worth the 5 years of high interest to be able to acquire it with zero down? Or would you start actively trying to either find new private lenders, talk to different banks, etc... where maybe I have to put some money down, fund the rennovations but I could cash out as soon as I'm done and could immediately get better cash flow with a lower rate. Obviously some pros and cons here, curious what types of opinions you guys have!


 I do not think you are going to have any other options? Unless you have the money for down payment that would be much better, but I am not sure you will find someone in a timely fashion that is offering anything similar to this. I would push back and maybe offer 24-36 months. 


 I think this is my best option, I think if I negotiate that down to 2-3 years it really makes it worth it. Cash flow will be high enough still to justify it, keeps my cash free for other potential opportunities. 

Post: High % private money worth it for a few years, if I can come no money out of pocket?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Investor
  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Chris Barrett:

Borrow the 25% from the private lender, then get bank financing for the remainder?


 I like this idea the most but unfortunately neither the bank I have a relationship with nor my private lender are willing to do this. No skin in the game in the eyes of my credit union and my private lender will only be 1st Position. I guess this would be worth expanding on new relationships.

Post: High % private money worth it for a few years, if I can come no money out of pocket?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Investor
  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Erik Estrada:

Do you have the assets and reserves? What if the property does not appraise and cannot cash him out? 


 I have the option to do either as I can handle the deal on my own, I was just curious on others opinions. Using their own capital, use bank financing, or completely zero out of pocket. Obviously I would leave some money on the table using all private money, but would free me up for other deals that may pop up? Bank financing off the bat and then a refinance 6-8 months later seems like a lot of added closing costs? I could be wrong on that, that's just where my mind goes. I guess in comparison to interest paying the private money guy it wouldn't be that terrible. But then it goes back to having cash free for other possible deals.
  I do know the property will appraise as I have already had my lender run through the deal, and confirm worse case scenario would still appraise. 

Post: High % private money worth it for a few years, if I can come no money out of pocket?

Luke Tetreault
Posted
  • Investor
  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Brett Chandler:
Quote from @Luke Tetreault:

I have an apartment building I am currently structuring financing on, I am going back and forth on my options. I have a private lender who is willing to lend the purchase, closings and renovations. I come out of pocket zero. Now to make the loan he has to move a few things around, so to make it worth him doing that he would like to guarantee 5 years of %. After 5 years I could cash him out and refi with a local credit union at a much better rate. It would still cash flow in the mean time, and on the cash out refi I would be able to get out all of his investment due to this being a great deal. Now my question is, would it be worth the 5 years of high interest to be able to acquire it with zero down? Or would you start actively trying to either find new private lenders, talk to different banks, etc... where maybe I have to put some money down, fund the rennovations but I could cash out as soon as I'm done and could immediately get better cash flow with a lower rate. Obviously some pros and cons here, curious what types of opinions you guys have!


 Use this calculator to find out if the deal will make sense to you over the long term
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17tVplPEGxjmyIZhLN3MP...


 Thank You!

Post: High % private money worth it for a few years, if I can come no money out of pocket?

Luke Tetreault
Posted
  • Investor
  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11

I have an apartment building I am currently structuring financing on, I am going back and forth on my options. I have a private lender who is willing to lend the purchase, closings and renovations. I come out of pocket zero. Now to make the loan he has to move a few things around, so to make it worth him doing that he would like to guarantee 5 years of %. After 5 years I could cash him out and refi with a local credit union at a much better rate. It would still cash flow in the mean time, and on the cash out refi I would be able to get out all of his investment due to this being a great deal. Now my question is, would it be worth the 5 years of high interest to be able to acquire it with zero down? Or would you start actively trying to either find new private lenders, talk to different banks, etc... where maybe I have to put some money down, fund the rennovations but I could cash out as soon as I'm done and could immediately get better cash flow with a lower rate. Obviously some pros and cons here, curious what types of opinions you guys have!

Post: 2 years in, Growing Pains! What's the Strategy?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@Luke Tetreault I like Jonathan Greenes advice to rank your properties and then figure out what makes the most sense.

That being said real estate investing is typically a long game and with just 2 years under your belt you’ve just started.

Most of my units only cash flow a little bit but because I bought smart and have renovated wisely there’s not much maintenance and very little time-suck for me.

I won’t try to tell you what to do other than if there’s certain properties that just consume way more energy you might consider 1031ing them into slightly larger properties where you could get better economies of scale for your time and expenses.

The one thing I will say is that in reading a lot and watching a lot of podcasts the one thing a lot of the more prominent investors who have 500 plus units say is that the one thing they regret is the deals they flipped early for cheap profit or the deals that they sold and did not keep. I have heard this 7-10 times and Brandon Turner has said he regrets not keeping more of his early deals. And he’s involved in over 13,000 units now.


 Thank You, Alecia. I agree with this as well. It's definitely not my end goal to keep flipping the way I am now. I already have some regret with a couple I have sold! 

Post: 2 years in, Growing Pains! What's the Strategy?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
  • Posts 43
  • Votes 11
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

First of all, great job. You guys have taken massive action in two years and you should be proud of that. A lot of people get here and are looking to get bigger, but I think your pause is because you accumulated too much, too soon. It's a good pause.

This is what I would do if I were you:

1. Rank every property you own from best to worst in cash flow

2. Rank every property you own from best to worst in how much you like it

3. Rank every property you own from worst to best in expected capital expenditures

4. Add those numbers together for each property

5. Keep the top half to start

6. Examine the bottom half from every angle - how much you can make, what else you can get for your money (don't worry about how much you make on these, they are time suck and the lower half of your portfolio)

That's a good place to start. You probably have good relationships locally so I would first think maybe upgrading to more units (if you like landlording and management) by selling the duds and then consider what you want to get into. You got the experience, now you can choose something.


 Thank You Jonathan, and Thank You for the advice! I think you are right in this.

Post: 2 years in, Growing Pains! What's the Strategy?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
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My Fiancé and I will be wrapping up our 2nd year of investing part time in the next couple of months. And it seems to be getting less clear on where to head. Maybe you guys can help!

In the past two years we have completed over a dozen flips, We are holding 20 rental units self managed and 2 self managed Air BnBs. Yes we tried everything, and Yes I know now that wasn't the best play haha. We are both 28 years old with zero experience prior to getting involved, she works for the business now and I work Blue Collar in the trades. But as of the last 6 or so months I seem to be losing direction. Where to go from here, how do we truly grow. We haven't found that one thing that has really worked great to catch a ride on the momentum. Flips have done good not great, Air Bnbs are going good not great, and rentals all were brrrr'd perfectly but like most cash flow just enough to pay the bills and cover expenses. I feel a loss of direction and that makes it really hard for me to focus and build.

Do we keep at building a portfolio of small multi family (very abundant in my market, very rare to find anything above a triplex for sale), with plans of selling the portfolio and 1031'ing into larger properties? Do we focus on flipping, (currently we have actually been trying to do this, but we physically can't find enough contractors in our smaller market <100K population to do that much work). Do we branch out of our area and try to do bigger deals now? These are just ideas I have been asking myself.

I think if I could just pinpoint a direction I am confident in, it would make things so much easier to focus and really strive toward. When looking at deals, learning, getting better and thinking smarter as an investor. Right now it feels like we are aimlessly investing, and it makes it hard to see the end goal and even harder to see how to get there.   

I know there's a lot of details missing to actually give an accurate answer. But would love to hear some of your Advice and / or Experience anyone has had as they've gone down this investing journey! Thank You!
 

Post: 30-Unit Lending, Not enough experience to get funding?

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
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Hey everyone, so I’ve been investing in smaller duplexes, triplexes for the last year and half. No prior experience investing experience, have always just worked a regular w-2 job as a welder. Not high earning 90-120k. 27 years old. 700 credit score. 

I have been really trying to push into bigger deals, I have finally come across a 30-Unit in my area off market, that is a great value add opportunity. I’ve been negotiating seller finance options for the past 3 months, trying anyway to get this closed. Knowing that would be my most realistic way to get a break on such a large purchase price. The sellers came back and shut it down, will not accept anything but a full payment. 

Talking with my local credit unions, they don't look at me like a serious buyer. Not for somthing of this size, I wasn’t taken serious it felt like. The numbers work, but it seems the issue was me as a borrower. I don’t have the money in the bank like they’d like to see, but I have built relationships with investors who would fund everything I would need to get this closed plus renovations. There was pushback from lenders because “I wouldn’t have any skin in the game” if I used investors. I really don’t know where to go from here. I don’t want to just throw in the towel on the deal due to funding. Because I feel like this is one that could take me to the next level. I do understand their reservations, but there has just got to be a way.

Anyone have any input on this situation?How you pulled off your first big deal when you were starting out? Thank you!

Post: Finding a good CPA

Luke Tetreault
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  • Horseheads NY
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Thank you everybody, these have been extremely helpful!