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All Forum Posts by: Mark Doty

Mark Doty has started 15 posts and replied 64 times.

@Alles Andrea

$50 per sqft is a decent starting point but I think your project will creep closer to $200k with multiple units, kitchens, utilities in addition to your average updating. You can always get contractor bids during the diligence period to firm up the numbers. 

Post: How do I get past being a newbie??? This is what I did...

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Lee Ripma - Thanks for comments and feedback!  I talked to you when I was still trying to figure out what to go after.  Like you commented, I too think the real estate world can be daunting when getting started and that was the idea behind this post.  You have to learn a little bit and figure out what works for you.  I was overwhelmed in the beginning and had no idea where to start.  The reading list helped me get started.

@Jim K.  Agree to disagree?  I liked the Fountainhead better but thought it and Atlas Shrugged were both good for setting a mindset.  The political agenda didn't influence my overall opinion of either book.

@Dennis M. Thanks for the additions...I'll check those out.

@Ali Boone - The duplex is still a work in progress but is working out...The addition of the third unit will make it cash flow, so on paper it works, but we'll see how it ends up after completion this summer.  Thanks for asking!

Best of luck to everyone just getting started!

Post: How do I get past being a newbie??? This is what I did...

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

Every week, several people start threads asking how to get started or which market they should choose.  A year ago, I started asking the same questions and have a brief summary of what I think a new investor should do to begin investing in real estate.  I started my journey with a good W2 job and a little bit of money, but 6 months after deciding to do it, I purchased a duplex in San Diego.  I made my decision to begin in June of 2018 and 6 months later was under contract on a heavy value-add in one of the hottest, most expensive markets in the country.  If it worked in SoCal, I think this should be a path to get started almost anywhere else in the country.

1.Get educated.  Immerse yourself in books and podcasts.Learn metrics, lingo and strategies so you can talk with other people who are doing what you want to do.  Bigger Pockets, Michael Blank and Jake and Gino have excellent podcasts (I focus on residential multifamily), but there are several others that are amazing resources as well.  When you listen to these podcasts, read the books they recommend.  As the concepts they discuss become more redundant and you start to put your own spin on what you’re hearing, you’ll be ready to start testing theories on other local investors.  To do that, you should get out of the house and go talk to people!

I read and recommend you read all of several of these books:

Rich Dad, Poor Dad – Robert Kiyosaki

The Complete Guide to Buying and Selling Apartments – Steve Burgess

Millionaire Real Estate Investor – Gary Keller

The 4-Hour Work Week – Tim Ferris

The Best Ever Book on Apartment Syndication – Joe Fairless

The Richest Man in Babylon –George Clason

Raising Private Capital – Matt Faircloth

Long Distance Real Estate Investing – David Green

Crushing It – Brian Murray

Cashflow Quadrant – Kiyosaki

The Book on Investing in Real Estate with No (and Low) Money Down – Brandon Turner

Multi-Family Millions – Davis Lindahl

The Book on Flipping Houses – J. Scott

What Every Investor Needs to Know about Cash Flow – Frank Gallinelli

The E-Myth – Michael Gerber

Emerging Real Estate Markets – David Lindahl

Timing the Real Estate Market – Robert Campbell

The Goal – Eliyahu Goldrant

Buy and Hold – David Schumacher

The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs – J. Scott

The One Thing – Gary Keller

The Fountainhead – Ayn Rand

How to Make Friends and Influence People – Dale Carnegie

Awaken the Giant – Tony Robbins

The War of Art-Steven Pressfield

2.Start networking.  Look for people you connect with in your social circles and at real estate meetups.  At meetups you need to figure out a polite way to break away from conversations to continue talking to other people in the room.  “It was great to meet you!Can I have one of your cards so I can follow up later?I want to see who else is here that I haven’t met…”  Talking at these meetups is a numbers game.  You’re only looking for a few people who you’ll want to work with but to find them you’ll have to talk to as many as possible.  You also need several different people on your team.  Go find them!I met my current partner at a kid’s birthday pool party.  My wife’s coworker may be my first money partner.  Talk about what you want to do with everyone you can.

3.Can you find a mentor?  Don’t be annoying but can you make a good enough impression on someone with experience who will let you buy them a beer or coffee on occasion in exchange for some guidance?  Can you do anything to provide value to them?It isn’t up to them to tell you how to provide guidance.  Don’t be annoying.  I would try all of this before looking at buying a mentor.

4.Choose a market and buying criteria.

5.Figure out your financing.  Talk to banks, Mom and Dad, your rich Uncle, friends and family.  How much money do you have/need and what is your purchasing power.  If you don’t know how much property you can buy, you’ll waste the time of any good agent who then won’t return your calls.  Don’t waste other people’s time.

6.Find a Real Estate Agent you like and who wants to work with you.  They will probably want you to sign an exclusivity agreement.  If you like them, sign it but make sure you understand each other’s expectations.  If they’re just ok but are the only one who gets back to you, keep looking (and educating yourself because you probably don’t come across as credible, yet).  You want and need a good agent who understands your criteria and won’t waste time talking about properties that are not a good fit.

7.Look at properties, run your numbers and make offers.Take action!  “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.” – Wayne Gretzky

That’s how I got started.I immersed myself and became a sponge for information.  Now I’m establishing a track record and have a much clearer vision of what I’m going after.  The best part though is that I’ve done a deal and don’t feel like such a newbie anymore!

What was different about your first year in real estate?  What tips, tricks and education helped others get started?

Post: Figuring out the ARV of a Quad

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Bennett Schwartz

I'm also in the process of of converting a property and have been interested in the same question. As far as I can tell there is a range that is dependent on your area, the comps, the CAP and the individual who performs the appraisal. In the end, Because you're working on a residential (2-4 unit, not a commercial 5+ unit) the appraiser will blend the sales comp approach and the income approach.

I’ve heard that they will take into consideration comps for other quads with similar size and bedroom counts, sq footage and condition to come to a price per unit. 

Then they will also look at the Gross Rent Multiplier and the gross rent. You'll want to find out from brokers what the GRM is for your market. The CAP rate may be considered but is less predictive of value in smaller rental properties. The advice I've heard is to do the construction, maximize rents and diplomatically try to influence the appraiser to use more of the income approach.

I’d love to hear other feedback from the board!

Post: Maximize ARV for Refi, tenants in place or vacant?

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Joe Splitrock and all,  thanks for the thoughtful responses. I think this tells me what I needed to know...that I need to get it rented. Thanks for your help!

Post: Maximize ARV for Refi, tenants in place or vacant?

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Theo Hicks @Oleg Shalumov

Thanks for the responses! Will consider a HELOC for the rental unit, but it's a BRRR and I'm trying to get the initial cash out cleanly.

Post: Maximize ARV for Refi, tenants in place or vacant?

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

Hi all,

I’m nearing a point where I can refinance or sell a triplex in San Diego. The decision will hinge on the refinance appraisal and how much I could potentially pull out of a cash out refi.  I’m in the process of doing a full rehab of the property.

My question is would I likely get a higher refi appraisal with actual rents and tenants in place or if it were vacant and basing income on proforma number?  Will it likely even matter since the property only has three units?

Thoughts and opinions welcome!

Post: 2-4 units in Central San Diego

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Twana Rasoul I’m active in the area in small multifamily. What are you working on?

Post: Best multi family books to read

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

“The Complete Guide to Buying and Selling Apartment Buildings” by Steve Berges is really good too. I’d put that one towards the top of the list.

Post: Value Add: Duplex conversion to Triplex

Mark DotyPosted
  • Developer
  • San Diego
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 75

@Casey Murray, @Justin R.

Thanks for the comments and interest...the property is in Linda Vista and the rents should keep us in the positive if the market corrects. It’s been mostly smooth so far, so hopefully that continues.