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All Forum Posts by: Matt Ruttenberg

Matt Ruttenberg has started 12 posts and replied 112 times.

Post: Tax/financial planning services

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80
Quote from @Michael Plaks:

@Brian Plajer

I do not know this CPA, and my comment is generic. Being a financial advisor is not necessarily a bonus. This usually means someone who sells you mutual fund investments and products based on life insurance. While the sales pitch is typically about a holistic approach to your financial well-being or something like that, the reality is commission-based sales. When someone earns commissions from selling you stuff, they have mixed motivation. (I used to be a financial advisor years ago and worked for several companies, so I know this industry from inside.)

$500/month is a meaningless number without knowing what exactly is being offered and the quality of these services. Here is a post discussing CPA charges in detail: 
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/51/topics/998718-explai...


You're casting a wide net with that financial advisor comment.  Flat fee and fee-only advisors don't work off of a commission-based business model. 

I think it's important to explain that not all advisors/planners work for companies that push commission based products, but it sounds like that is where your experience was.

But, I do agree that it's probably a good idea to separate those roles though... and not bundle a "jack of all trades" into your financial life.

CPAs often look in the short term, and not the long term.  So it needs to be balanced out and not by the same person.

Post: Tax/financial planning services

Matt RuttenbergPosted
  • Specialist
  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80
Quote from @Brian Plajer:

Hello,

  I'm an investor, less than five properties and growing. I have heard several podcasts about the importance of a solid tax strategy. My current tax preparer does not seem to offer much of a strategy with regards to real estate and long term planning.  I recently spoke to a CPA with real estate experience and they have an added bonus of being a financial advisor which can certainly be helpful to me.  I was a little surprised at the cost for the services which are $500/month. This does not include any tax prep. Its a fee for tax planning and financial advise.  When I think big picture it may be well worth it if the service saves me more than that amount or helps me generate more than that amount.  I'm curious what other spay for these services and is it worth it? Maybe this is something I need when I  have a few more properties or maybe its smarter to start planning now. Happy to hear thoughts, opinions and most importantly experiences. Thanks, Brian


Yeah tax planning is a different animal than tax prep.  Not sure if the cost is worth it, but I work with some others that do that as well.  If you want a few introductions, feel free to let me know.

Side note, one of the other gentlemen said financial planners aren't worth it because they sell you mutual funds and insurance.  That's not true unless you work with an advisor at an insurance company and they have sales goals.  Ignore him and I would interview more than one.

However, I would try to work with a team instead of all-in-one.  Each corner of the finance industry is completely different, and nobody can do it all well at the same time.

Feel free to reach out and I can give you intros.

Post: Private lending using self directed 401k

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80

I own a 401k administration company if you want to connect on this.  We work with many real estate investors that house RE within their plan.

Acting as a private lender has it's limitation inside of the plan though.  I assume you're self employed?  We're working through this with a client as we speak, and there is a lot of compliance around it.

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions you want to discuss.

Post: Recomendations companies that manage 401k solo

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80

@Juan Tonche My company administers self-directed 401ks.  It's all about the plan document, and we use a custom plan document.  We have several clients that do this, with or without employees.

Feel free to reach out, we work with many real estate investors in this capacity.

Post: GENERATIONAL WEALTH: Do you worry about your kids?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80

@Jim K.

What a great question! But it really depends on a number of factors.

Full disclosure, I consult on this type of thing whether it’s for biz owners or RE investors for more estate planning type situations. In other words, how and what is passed on tot he kids.

Some want RE to pass to the kids as is, and some they want to liquidate because of the headaches you mentioned. It’s somewhat determined by their own experiences.

Also, some kids what the RE/business, and the other kids what cash. Or if there are multiple siblings, we ask which ones want which?

Usually, we’re using different types of trusts and entities structures to help with estate taxes, etc. Some are BDITs, SLATs, Charitable LLCs, etc.

Some help with getting out of the 1031 exchange cycle as well or even pass that to the kids or charities. Sometimes this is used for tax planning strategies as well.

Lots of different planning options for those with the same questions. But a very persona choice because there are sooo many paths.

Post: What to do with extra cash?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80
Quote from @Sage Weiss:

I’ve heard mixed things on infinite banking. Are there requirements for doing that? I also have no credit I think my understanding of it is. You’re using credit from an over funded account of some kind. 


Yeah there are a lot of under informed bloggers and content that don't look at the full picture of how it fits in unfortunately.  It definitely doesn't replace traditional investing, it's a means to other investments honestly.

I dont suggest it if you NEED life insurance, that's what term is for.  Simply because the design doesn't promote death benefit, it promotes cash value growth.

Post: What to do with extra cash?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80

@Sage Weiss

I would consider infinite banking. You’re building up an asset that you can use for buying other assets.

I use this strategy with business owners quite a bit who’ve maxed out their retirement accounts.

Leverage, leverage, leverage!

Post: Builder Leaseback good idea?

Matt RuttenbergPosted
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  • Grand Rapids, MI
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 80
Quote from @Greg Teplansky:

So we bit off a big one for a first investment! Wife and I just went to contract with a builder on a 2k sqft 4/3 townhome in a resort development in southern Utah. The deal is the builder will lease my unit for at least two years. I think we are overpaying a little bit but it is zoned for nightly rentals and may payoff in the long run. We will finance the 25% down with a loan at 3% from a life insurance policy loan and hope for the best on the conventional investor loan we will have for the purchase money. We plan to try it as a short term rental after the builder is out. Question one is, does this sound like an inherently bad idea to anyone? Question two: I know I should get this put into an entity like an LLC, maybe even Wyoming LLC, but should I spend the money to set this up before I complete the purchase? Obviously, we need to maximize our tax effectiveness in the situation and the monthly is going to be huge, especially if we can't get the rents to cover the mortgage. I considered one exit strategy if this doesn't work after a couple years, which would involve selling fractional shares of the unit while keeping half of them myself in hopes, the sale of the fractional shares would offset the existing mortgage and maybe put us in a winning position. Looking for opinions and input since I'm relatively inexperienced. Thanks.


 Nice work on funding the deal with life insurance!  Such a powerful tool when used right.

Feel free to reach out, I have expertise in the infinite banking and self-directed 401k side of things.  Curious what you're thinking.

Quote from @Andrew Yu:

This question is about Infinite Banking concept. For the tax experts here, when I take a policy loan on life insurance for private lending, how should I structure it to minimize taxes?


Are you referring to the loan from the policy, or the loan to the investor?  The loan from the policy is tax free unless you've MEC'd the policy. 

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