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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Gesner

Nathan Gesner has started 316 posts and replied 27552 times.

Post: Down payment for an apartment building!

Nathan Gesner
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  • Cody, WY
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If you are just getting started, I don't recommend you borrow the down payment. Why would you borrow now and then use your own funds for the next purchase? It makes no sense.

If you're serious, you'll put your own money down. Cut your teeth and make sure you can handle an investment before making plans to buy the next one. Once you've proven yourself, then you can consider a higher-risk situation with 100% leverage.

Post: Is it common to own rentals outside your city?

Nathan Gesner
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  • Cody, WY
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@Thomas W. do a search for @David Greene. He's a REALTOR in California that invests in other states. He has a good podcast that explains the basics and he has a good book "Long Distance Real Estate Investing" in the BP bookstore that is very good.

I manage around 300 rentals and most of my owners are out-of-state investors. It's pretty common. However, I think you are better off investing locally where you can watch the property and learn more quickly.

Post: How rent to own works?

Nathan Gesner
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

Rather than type for 15 minutes, I'll share this article.

Rent-to-own or lease-options fail over 80% of the time. The reason buyers use rent-to-own is because they can't qualify with a bank. They can't qualify with a bank because they are high risk. Why would any seller want to lock in a contract with someone that's high risk?

If you are a buyer and can get someone to take the risk, good on you. If you are a seller and someone is trying to talk you into a rent-to-own, walk away. Or...figure out how to mitigate the risk. There are ways to mitigate the risk and turn a rent-to-own into a real profit center but you have to know what you're doing and have a solid contract.

 I am a seller. I own it out right. I believe the housing market is going to slow in a year or two and I plan on renting my house, I think it is highly likely that the buyer won't buy the house as the result of any noticeable drop in the value of the property in a year or two. Thus, I collect more rent  and keep the house in this scenario (considering the 3.5 % down + a monthly credit). Even if the buyer decide to buy it, I won't lose any money since my selling price would be higher considering the 12% appreciation in value for a two year contract.

What do you think?

I think it's a mistake.

If this is a $200,000 home and you require 3.5% down, that's $7,000.

Tenant lives there for two years and fails to buy. He also fails to make two payments and you have to evict ($3,000+). Once you get the home back, you discover he tore out your carpet and replaced it with Pergo flooring that was installed improperly and has been damaged by water and animals ($6,000). The entire house reeks of dogs and cats, walls need to be painted $1,500), a couple doors and windows have to be replaced ($2,000), the sprinkler system is broke and the yard is full of weeds and dirt ($2,000). And the house will sit empty for at least two months while you try to get it back in shape ($3,000)

Without even trying, this occupant has cost you $18,000 in unpaid rent, vacancy, cleaning and repairs. The scenario I'm painting is not exaggerated. I haven't seen many rent-to-own situations personally but the ones I have seen and the ones I've heard about have a strong tendency to go this way. Also, the tenant will most likely bail when the market takes a turn for the worse so you'll have a hard time getting top dollar for it after they leave and you fix it up. 

I would only consider a rent-to-own with a significant, non-refundable option of 10%. Even then, I would make the entire deal contingent on them maintaining the home in good condition and subject to your inspections.

I don't think you have the experience and knowledge necessary to ensure you're protected so I recommend you reject the offer.

Post: Removing Pets

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1. If you have a "No Pets" policy then the breed of dog doesn't matter. Give them a "Cure or Quit" notice and demand they remove the animal or face eviction. I also include a fine ($50 per day) for any pet violation.

2. Even if you accept pets, you can reject any animal considered a "dangerous breed" by your insurance company. Call them and ask for a list.

Post: Tenant Screening question

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He should be able to provide pay stubs or something from his current employer. He should be able to explain why his credit report is blank (maybe he pays cash?).

Do some more research before throwing him out.

Post: First time investment/ property manager?

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It's not necessarily a matter of time; it's a matter of risk.

You can hire a leasing agent to handle the screening which is probably the most important step. Once the tenant is in place, you handle the rent collection, maintenance calls, etc. However, you still run the risk of getting so busy with your regular job that you lose sight of the rental and things slip through the cracks or you don't have time to deal with late rent or you forget to do an inspection...

A property manger costs about 10% which is $2,400 yearly on a $2,000 rental. A bad tenant that fails to pay rent for one month and leaves the place damaged could easily cost you $5,000 - $10,000. To me it would be worth the peace of mind.

This doesn't mean you can hire any PM! You have to do your research, screen them, and choose one that will protect your income and your property. You can start by going to www.narpm.org and search their directory of managers. These are professionals with additional training and a stricter code of ethics. It's no guarantee but it's a good place to start.

1. Ask how many units they manage and how much experience they have. If it's a larger organization, feel free to inquire about their different staff qualifications.

2. Review their management agreement. Make sure it explicitly explains the process for termination if you are unhappy with their services, but especially if they violate the terms of your agreement.

3. Understand the fees involved and calculate the total cost for an entire year of management so you can compare the different managers. It may sound nice to pay a 5% management fee but the extra fees can add up to be more than the other company that charges 10% with no add-on fees. Fees should be clearly stated, easy to understand, and justifiable. If you ask the manager to justify a fee and he starts hemming and hawing, move on or require them to remove the fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate!

4. Review their lease agreement and addendums. Think of all the things that could go wrong and see if the lease addresses them: unauthorized pets or tenants, early termination, security deposit, lease violations, late rent, eviction, lawn maintenance, parking, etc.

5. Don't just read the lease! Ask the manager to explain their process for dealing with maintenance or problem tenants. If they are professional, they can explain this quickly and easily. If they are VERY professional, they will have their processes in writing as verification that it is enforced equally and fairly by their entire staff.

6. Ask to speak with some of their current owners and current/former tenants. You can also check their reviews online at Google, Facebook, or Yelp. Just remember: most negative reviews are written by problematic tenants. The fact they are complaining online might be an indication the property manager dealt with them properly so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.

I hope this basic guide helps. If you have specific questions about property management, I'll be happy to help!

Post: Property Managers in Santa Rosa, CA?

Nathan Gesner
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You can start by going to www.narpm.org and search their directory of managers. These are professionals with additional training and a stricter code of ethics. It's no guarantee but it's a good place to start.

1. Ask how many units they manage and how much experience they have. If it's a larger organization, feel free to inquire about their different staff qualifications.

2. Review their management agreement. Make sure it explicitly explains the process for termination if you are unhappy with their services, but especially if they violate the terms of your agreement.

3. Understand the fees involved and calculate the total cost for an entire year of management so you can compare the different managers. It may sound nice to pay a 5% management fee but the extra fees can add up to be more than the other company that charges 10% with no add-on fees. Fees should be clearly stated, easy to understand, and justifiable. If you ask the manager to justify a fee and he starts hemming and hawing, move on or require them to remove the fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate!

4. Review their lease agreement and addendums. Think of all the things that could go wrong and see if the lease addresses them: unauthorized pets or tenants, early termination, security deposit, lease violations, late rent, eviction, lawn maintenance, parking, etc.

5. Don't just read the lease! Ask the manager to explain their process for dealing with maintenance or problem tenants. If they are professional, they can explain this quickly and easily. If they are VERY professional, they will have their processes in writing as verification that it is enforced equally and fairly by their entire staff.

6. Ask to speak with some of their current owners and current/former tenants. You can also check their reviews online at Google, Facebook, or Yelp. Just remember: most negative reviews are written by problematic tenants. The fact they are complaining online might be an indication the property manager dealt with them properly so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.

I hope this basic guide helps. If you have specific questions about property management, I'll be happy to help!

Post: First rental, very sudden, what to prepare for?

Nathan Gesner
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@Thomas S. gives good advice but I would recommend you hire a good property manager until you're situated and educated. You can start by going to www.narpm.org and search their directory of managers. These are professionals with additional training and a stricter code of ethics. It's no guarantee but it's a good place to start.

1. Ask how many units they manage and how much experience they have. If it's a larger organization, feel free to inquire about their different staff qualifications.

2. Review their management agreement. Make sure it explicitly explains the process for termination if you are unhappy with their services, but especially if they violate the terms of your agreement.

3. Understand the fees involved and calculate the total cost for an entire year of management so you can compare the different managers. It may sound nice to pay a 5% management fee but the extra fees can add up to be more than the other company that charges 10% with no add-on fees. Fees should be clearly stated, easy to understand, and justifiable. If you ask the manager to justify a fee and he starts hemming and hawing, move on or require them to remove the fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate!

4. Review their lease agreement and addendums. Think of all the things that could go wrong and see if the lease addresses them: unauthorized pets or tenants, early termination, security deposit, lease violations, late rent, eviction, lawn maintenance, parking, etc.

5. Don't just read the lease! Ask the manager to explain their process for dealing with maintenance or problem tenants. If they are professional, they can explain this quickly and easily. If they are VERY professional, they will have their processes in writing as verification that it is enforced equally and fairly by their entire staff.

6. Ask to speak with some of their current owners and current/former tenants. You can also check their reviews online at Google, Facebook, or Yelp. Just remember: most negative reviews are written by problematic tenants. The fact they are complaining online might be an indication the property manager dealt with them properly so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.

I hope this basic guide helps. If you have specific questions about property management, I'll be happy to help!

Post: House Hack - Roommates -under the table or not

Nathan Gesner
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Written lease, preferably one that addresses issues specific to a roommate situation, and ALWAYS follow the law.

Post: Rental Income on Mortgage Application

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You don't own the property so you can't sign contracts on it yet.

Once you own the property then you can sign a lease agreement and the bank may consider that income. Until you own it, you are probably out of luck.