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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Harden

Nathan Harden has started 20 posts and replied 540 times.

Post: Looking for Wholesaling Opportunities with People Flipping Homes

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

If you find something that will have an ARV in first time homebuyers/low income buyers price range in Pierce or Thurston county. Send them my way, please! I like 3 bedrooms but can make 2 work. If I can make 15%+ on it, I'm your man!

Post: Modest income trying to make the right decision for my family

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

It sounds like you just answered your question. You said that you just don't have the money for HELOC payments right now. Boom. There's your answer. Heloc is out the window.

Remember, rates are dropping so doing a refi on your primary may just be what you're looking for.

All the best!

Post: Newbie purchasing townhome in Lacey

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

It doesn't sound like its that great of a deal and with it being so far away from where you are located right now. What made you choose this particular property?

Post: New Investor Looking to Buy in Tacoma/South Seattle

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

That is a solid budget for the area. You mentioned utilizing FHA financing. Just remember, FHA is going to be more strict on the properties that will qualify for FHA lending. You will not be able to get a serious fixer using FHA but I would look at houses that need cosmetic rehab. Something that is easy for you to DIY while utilizing FHA.

On market is going to be your best bet right now. A lot of off market deals will be houses that need more work so finding an off market deal that will go FHA will be even more difficult. That being said, get ahold of some local wholesalers. You never know, they may have just what you're looking for.

Post: Can I Make This Flip Work As A BRRRR?

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

I would re-run your numbers for the flip aspect. You are not calculating any carrying costs or closing costs on the final sale. The margins on that flip are terrible, do not try and flip at that purchase price, PLEASE!

A good rule of thumb for flipping is 70% rule. Buy it for 70% of the ARV, minus the repairs on top of that. So you should be looking at a purchase price of somewhere around $137k. I would offer even lower, just because a $20k rehab seems very minimal, always leave room for things that come up during the renovation process.

Post: Where Do I Start With Private Money?

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377
"Where Do I Start With Private Money?"

Simple. You start by talking to individuals that have more available capital than you do. You have experience under your belt so that will help you out as well.

It sounds too good to be true but, in all reality, it is just a simple conversation that can start up your momentum. 

You only need 1 Yes.

Post: Tips and Tricks for Finding More Affordable Materials for your Flips and Rentals!

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377

I am in the middle of a current flip as we speak. Some great tips in your post!

On my previous flips, I have found that the Clearance section is your friend! I have never spent over 70cents a sqft for laminate flooring. On my current flip, I found flooring at Home Depot for 64 cents a sqft. I pick up the flooring myself and deliver it to the property a couple of days prior to install (so the floors can acclimate). This saves money because usually when a contractor tells me that they have the "hook up", the hook up is still more expensive than the Home Depot clearance rack. 

Post: What mentorship changed your life?

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377
Quote from @Travis Timmons:

If you want a real mentor, you're probably gonna have to do some work to find him/her. Those promoting their paid memberships are likely better at marketing and promotion than real estate investing. 

I'd suggest pulling tax records on multifamily properties in your area to find the owner. If you stumble upon a guy that owns a dozen, reach out, explain your situation, and ask if you can get together or chat on the phone. I'd want to track down the unassuming guy that drives an old truck and buys his clothes at Costco but happens to own a pile of properties. I'd even bet some or all of them paid off and he doesn't give a $h!+ about cash on cash return or return on equity calculations. 


 This is exactly my thought process. 

"Those promoting their paid memberships are likely better at marketing and promotion than real estate investing" I think this hits the nail on the head.

I have actually started pulling local landlords in my area from Propstream over the last month. I have had some great conversations, some lasting an hour +. The weird thing that I have learned is that the ones who have these 100, 200, 300 doors are people you would never expect, they keep their money quiet. 

I guess the book, The Millionaire Next Door is spot on for the majority of self made millionaires. Not every investor out there is as flashy as a Grant Cardone, but that doesn't mean that they don't have money.

Thank you for the reply!

Post: What mentorship changed your life?

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377
Quote from @Mark Cruse:

Got to be careful with gurus. If you go that route seriously research the rep and evaluate who has benefited from their wisdom. Back in my day I almost got caught by one in Prince Georges County. Dude had only one deal under his belt but was a gifted speaker. Had dozens of people running their credit cards for 10k, promising how they will fire their boss. It ran its course after awhile and the same thing was being offered for 1,900. For me, the thing that benefited the most was getting into a master mind group, then investing in a project of one the members. Being in the group put me around a lot of heavy hitters deep in the game, doing stuff I wanted to learn. Then, I invested in a condo conversion project. I was able to look over the shoulder of the experienced investor and took on multiple tasks myself. I was running major portions of her project, learning while i was earning. Now, whenever I have a project, I raise money by people investing in mine so they can earn while they learn from me. 


 Thank you for the reply. This is exactly why I made this post. I am very wary of all of these gurus out there right now. It seems like they are everywhere right now and I don't want to just put money into a "guru" that has just as much experience as me, or the course sucks and I could have got the same information from Youtube. 

Post: What mentorship changed your life?

Nathan HardenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Puyallup, WA
  • Posts 551
  • Votes 377
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Forget about the paid memberships. You should be focused on:

1. Networking with EVERYBODY in your local community. Other investors, lenders, contractors, real estate agents, title companies, designers, and architects.

2. Underwriting more deals. You should be looking at a couple deals a day.

3. Doing more deals.


 I definitely look at more than a couple deals a day. The problem is once I have found the deal, not having the correct forms, not completely confident in MY knowledge of the paperwork and process that is needed to complete a Subto, wholesale, Novation, etc. contract. 


The reason you're experiencing these challenges and "growing pains" that you mentioned in your original post is because you're focused on the wrong thing.

Nobody is building a successful, consistently profitable, and sustainable real estate business by focused on what you are focused on (subto, wholesale, novation, etc).

I believe if you shift your focus to more practical strategies you will find more success.


 I am all ears my man. Which strategies are you talking about? 

It seems funny when I type it out because it's so simple, but there are really only 2 tried and true strategies that have worked in this business since the beginning of time..

1. Fix & Flip

2. Buy & Hold

Of course there are a ton of nuances within those strategies, but that's it.

If you need to build up some capital - Buy a property under market value, fix it up, sell it for a profit. This can be applied to single family, multifamily, land, office, retail, medical, industrial, etc.

If you need cash flow and are looking to build wealth over time - Buy properties in good locations and rent them out. This also can be applied to single family, multifamily, office, retail, medical, industrial, etc. (this also works if you are looking to do a "house hack")

Or if you want both capital and cash flow - You can apply a mix of both of these strategies and do a BRRRR.

All of those strategies that you listed in your prior post are fairytale strategies that gurus promote to make money selling courses.

When you start connecting with real local investors in real life you'll realize that the way most guys and gals have made their fortunes in real estate is by the 2 simple strategies I listed above.


 I agree. Are you doing flips right now? I buy and hold right now, just slowly running out of capital for downpayments that is why I have been turning my head towards the more creative ideas to get me doors at the moment. I have done a flip before but to be honest, this volatile market scares me at the moment with flips. That is why I have been looking into trying to learn wholesaling so that I can build up capital without having to risk the flip.

Really just looking for more ways to get into a buy&hold without using a bank with 20-25% down and 9% interest. That is why I mentioned Subto, but in all honesty, I like the idea of gaining more doors through seller financing because to me, that feels wayyyyyyy safer than a Subto.

Yes I'm doing flips. I agree with you, it's a bit scarier and riskier to do flips in this market. Just need to be extra particular about what deals you get into.

Wholesaling is a full time job. I don't know any wholesalers who have succeeded just dabbling in wholesaling to make a few extra bucks. I have wholesaled a few properties over the time I've been doing this but I would never rely on it as as real source of income unless I was willing to dedicate 40+ hours per week and thousands of dollars per month on marketing.

Subto on the other hand is not even a full time job... this is the fairytale strategy I was referring to earlier. I'd be willing to bet that no matter how hard you try, and no matter how much you spend on subto education, that you will never end up doing a subto deal in your lifetime. I'm not saying this because I don't believe in you. It's because that is how much I don't believe in the strategy.
 


 Subto does terrify me as well to be honest. Was just more trying to learn more information on it to add another tool to my toolbelt for if and or when the opportunity ever arose.