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All Forum Posts by: Conway Churaman

Conway Churaman has started 12 posts and replied 109 times.

Post: New to BP! Living in NYC & Looking to Buy n' Hold

Conway ChuramanPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Aaron Simek:

Hi BP Community,

I am living in Manhattan, looking to invest in a buy and hold property in greater New York and/or New Jersey (pretty much anything within 1-2 hours by train from The City) for some passive income.

I'm originally from Ft. Lauderdale, FL, and I hope to build a portfolio down there too. Most of my connections are in South Florida, but I don't yet feel comfortable doing deals down there with such little experience and such a long distance. 

Looking forward to learning and meeting awesome people! I'd love to get together with anyone with similar goals, advice, or jsut for some like-minded conversation.

Real Estate seems so fun! I can't wait to get my hands dirty.

What's up? Local from Brooklyn here. Good luck to you. Start posting in the local New York sub-section. I try to track as many of the NY BP members as I can. The NY REI is very different from the rest of the country it would seem.

Originally posted by @Anthony Gayden:
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here...

I see a lot about going it alone, as a "Lone Ranger", so to speak: what an individual can do limited to  their own resources.

Would anyone consider taking their $30K and partnering on a deal where a potential investment needs money partners?

Suppose an investor or a team were offering 12% or more for 6 months on a rehab, fix-and-flip, etc. That would increase your $30K to $31.8K (at 12%) and also increase your network at the same time.

The flip side of that would be to suppose you found a deal which needed $90K to get into. Would you consider finding two partners with $30K each, offer them 12% or more for six months, pay them out after repair on a refi or the sale and either take the balance of the profit yourself or split it with your money partners?

Looking for everyone's thoughts and insights.

 That is fine if you are experienced. If you are 100% new, partnering could end up being a nightmare. 

 Unless you partner with other experienced investors.  I agree that newbies partnering up may not be as good idea as newbies and experienced investors partnering up.

Originally posted by @Vincent Crane:

I think if you live in a reasonable market, using the $30k to househack so you don't have to pay rent is absolutely the best first move. After that, using it to start the BRRR so you can repeatedly grow your portfolio without having to save up a new amount of $40k each time you want to make a purchase, but that works better for SFH, which has a trade off because multi's generally cashflow better and appreciate pretty well.

The problem is I don't live in a reasonable market. I live in Brooklyn, NY part of greater NYC area. It's an insane market as compared to rest of the country. You need a minimum of $250,000 to buy even a 1 or 2 bedroom SFH. 1 Bedroom condos start at $125,000. Experienced local investors may have a different opinion but it would seem that you need to know what you are doing if you want to be an investor here. Am I right?

I'm going to see a small studio in Brooklyn that rents for around $850 in a couple of hours to see if it will meet my immediate needs. I'm not prepared to leave New York right now. And I don't have enough savings to start REI. I'm coming to the conclusion that for the next several months at least I should be renting.

I'm going to inquire about a 6 month lease instead of a year. I will want to examine the lease for exit options in case I find something better or find a house hacking property I'm able to obtain through an FHA 203k loan.

Thanks all.

Originally posted by @Vincent Crane:

A newbie with $30k investing in Brooklyn... Just not feasible. It makes way more sense to invest in a turnkey property elsewhere. If you start out with $30 in most mid market cities you can start and grow a local portfolio but NYC is too expensive.

 I'm telling myself that blowing the $30k on a down payment for a condo is a bad move for me financially if I want to build savings to start investing.  If I find someplace to rent, continue to build savings, then invest outside of NYC that should be the move?  I should not be looking for a local multifamily in the NYC area even for the purpose of househacking correct?  Can someone else concur?

Also, I still intend for this thread to not only be about me.  I would like to continue to hear from experienced investors on what they might do with $30k if they were forced to start over.

Thanks everyone!

Originally posted by @Paula Pant:

This is a great question, @Conway Churaman!

Let's start with a few disclaimers:

  • I'm assuming this $30K is purely for real estate investing. Your day-to-day personal expenses are covered; you're free from credit card debt and other personal / consumer debts; you're saving in traditional retirement accounts, like a workplace 401k, up to your full employer match; you have a comfortable emergency fund.
  • I'm assuming the real estate market, at this time, is "normal" (like 2014 or 2015). You have a sense that things will progress at a steady pace. You don't get the sense that the market is in some wild speculative bubble that's imminently headed for collapse. 
  • I'm assuming I qualify for conventional financing on the investments listed below.
  • I'm assuming the rent rises at a pace that's equal to inflation (so we'll call it even).

With that said, here's what I'd do if I were starting from scratch with $30K:

1) Buy two Class B or Class C+ houses in a low-cost-of-living area. I'll use metro Atlanta as an example, since I know this area so well: I'd buy 2 SFRs, each of which are worth $50k. I'd put a 30% downpayment on each ($15k on each, for a total of $30k). 

2) Assuming at least a 1.5% Rule, these would rent for $750 per month each, or $1,500 per month total. Assuming that half of this goes to operating costs/vacancies/etc., I pocket $750/month.  

3) I'd save the first 6 months of this income ($4,500) for cash reserves. Then I'd save the next 18 months of this income ($13,500) towards making a down payment on a third investment property. 

4) In the meantime, I'd have a 'day job' and save money from this to put towards future investments. Let's say that I can save a total of $1,000 per month -- that means after 2 years, I'd have another $24,000 to invest. So at this point, at the end of Year 2, I have $37,500 (which comes to $13,500 from the SFR's plus $24,000 from the day job).

5) Repeat. I'd use this $37,500 to repeat Steps 1-4.

6) At this point, at the end of Year 4, I'd have 4 properties generating $3000 per month in gross income and $1,500 per month in net income. I'd also more than $40k saved (including day job savings from the past 24 months). At this point, I probably wouldn't qualify for more conventional financing (since I'd be limited to 4 properties), so I'd use this $40k to pay off one of the houses. I'd have a little more than $5k leftover, which I'd apply towards paying off another house. Within 1 more year, by the end of Year 5, I'd have another house paid-in-full. (That's $1500 net income per month from SFRs + $1000 per month from day job = $2500 per month x 12 months = $30k in repayments, plus the extra $5k). 

At this point, it's the end of Year 5, and I own 4 houses, of which, 2 houses are free-and-clear. 

At this point, I'd re-evaluate my goals. Do I want to stay in the U.S.? If so, I probably need more money, so I'd repeat this process to buy more houses, until I've reached my financial goals. 

Do I want to retire ASAP to a tropical beach in Thailand or to a gorgeous mountaintop retreat in Colombia? If so, I probably don't need much more money, so I'd spend another year or two aggressively repaying the last two houses, and then retire in some warm tropical climate within a total of 6-7 years after this all started.

 I really appreciate your response Paula thanks.

Here is my situation, for the past few months in between my long work schedule I have been wrestling with the question of whether or not I should seek financing to buy the triplex I currently rent from.  I've lived and rented here for 25 years but that doesn't mean I like the place or want to live here forever.

The owner suddenly wants to sell and is kicking all the tenants out to try to attract better offers from prospective buyers. The problem is he is asking too much money for it.  He's asking $699k which is in the neighborhood of the comps but it is in terrible condition.  He never reinvested capital back into the place to maintain it and now it needs a lot of work.  Plumbing, electrical, water damage, bathroom fixtures, kitchens, furnace needs replacing, question on if it's a legal 2 u it or 3 (only 2 con Ed meters), everything needs fixing or updating.  

I did not get a pro appraisal myself done or ran hard numbers yet but I am estimating it needs a minimum of 50k with costs quickly going beyond that for a renovation.  I would also need carrying costs till work is completed.  The work needs to be done to attract the right type of tenant and to be able to charge rents which would produce cash flow.  That was the owner's mistake. He charged low rents because he couldn't attract the right kind of tenant anymore.

I've come to the decision that financially speaking, this is not the right property for me to invest in at this time.  It is too risky for me.  It might be a good property for the prepared experienced local investor.  Just not a newbie with only 30k cash reserves.  This is brooklyn, NY.

So now my next move is to find a studio to rent in Brooklyn.  I don't want to buy a condo which will eat that 30k in a down payment.  I want to rent.  Does that make sense?  Someone tell me of this makes sense please!

Every little decision I'm making is going to affect my future and it's making me nervous.  

I'm not prepared to move out of NY at this time.  I need a solid plan that will work for me in the long term and I just do not have enough I formation yet.  I can't think clearly cause of the stress.  I'm going to find a place to rent locally, stabilize myself, then focus on my education from this forum and other sources and continue to save.

Is that a decent short term plan?

Originally posted by @Eric A.:

Does anyone have a referral for (or is anyone here) an experienced Brooklyn real estate broker or agent who can help me with my strategy of finding multi-family investment properties in emerging neighborhoods and renting them out to tenants?

Important: I'm seeking someone who holds at least one real estate investment property of their own please.  Send me a direct message or respond to the thread.  Thanks!

Eric

Brooklyn, NY

 I wish I could help you.  I just wanted to mention that it troubles me that you have not gotten any helpful feedback as of yet.  I would like to make such connections myself.  There has to be Brooklyn agents out there with extensive experience helping investors.  They just don't seem to be BP members.  What about other general forum sections?

Post: Using real estate to escape the rat race?

Conway ChuramanPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Niko Molina:

I will not be participating in the rat race until I'm 65! I'll be damn sure of that. I'm using funds I acquire by participating in the rat race right now to jump start my REI endeavors and using the time I've given myself to acquire as much knowledge as I can before I buy my first multi-unit in Spring 2016.

I'm trying to get out now - at 21 - by beginning to invest in real estate. I want to create a business - I seek to be more of an entrepreneur than an investor. 

Good luck to all of you and I hope you exit the rat race soon! And to the ones who have already escaped...I applaud you.

As mentioned above: ASSEMBLE A TEAM! This is a big point I've put at the front of my 'VIP" list of things to remember throughout my self-education of REI.

Here is a great blog post written by @Joshua Dorkin on assembling a team and the key players you should acquire. 
 http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2006/3/15/...

Heres a Bigger Pockets search on the word "team" that you should check out too. Many other great blogs written. Having a TEAM will make investments go much more smoothly. http://www.biggerpockets.com/search/wordpress?utf8...


Work 'ON' your business - not 'IN' your business. 

 his is my shot term goal! Thank you for helping me clarify what I need to do as a short term goal. I'm going to do my best to make friends on this site locally with good people with similar goals. I should have started off in this section to begin with. I'm a newbie in Brooklyn, ny. Connect with me and I'll add Ya to my list.

Post: Homeowner and Newbie from Delaware

Conway ChuramanPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Matthew White:

Hello!

I am a homeowner from Newark, DE.  I was born and raised in this area and want to take advantage of that local knowledge to try and find great deals.  I am brand new to real estate and work in Finance at a large bank in the area.  Living very close to a college town, I see a lot of opportunity in my current single family home to turn it into a rental property in the near future.  What first interested me in Real Estate was the idea of passive income and learning how to find those deals that will cash flow.  I also love the idea of finding a multifamily home and house hacking.  Before I was married, I always had a roommate in my extra room.  Looking forward to learning and taking advantage of the wealth of knowledge on BiggerPockets so I can one day pay it forward.

Matt

 Good luck Matt!  Interested in knowing the details when you find that right deal.

Post: Man, this NYC forum is rather...sparse

Conway ChuramanPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Angel Rosado:

@Conway Churaman I think it comes down to the shifting of mindset as Rich Dad talks about.  There are opportunities here but if you think there arent than you won't find it.  I know of 3-4 investors here on BP who within the last 6 months invested in the Bronx.  I'll agree Manhattan is totally phased out but within the other boroughs you will find something.

Don't get discouraged just keep looking.  As is mentioned on the podcast so many time, you will see 100 properties before finding a good deal.

 Exactly.  I need to see that 100 properties before I can invest.  It has to be the right property.  The numbers have to make sense for me and my current situation as I start off.

Post: Man, this NYC forum is rather...sparse

Conway ChuramanPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 20
Originally posted by @Joshua Diaz:

Hey all! Glad I stumbled upon this thread. I am also interested in investing somewhere in nyc as my very first. I am attempting to house hack a multi family via a FHA 203k loan. Thanks all for the information given in this thread. Every bit helps!

 Please feel free to update this thread with any new information regarding your local house hack.  

Some people might say that since the owner of my triplex has decided to sell then why not put an offer in myself and house hack it.  Well, I've been here many years and the owner never put money back into the place to maintain it.  There are plumbing issues, electrical issues, the furnace needs replacing.  The kitchen, bathroom, and floors need updating in all the units.  There is extensive water damage over the years between the floors.  In recent years there has been a bed bug infestation in at least 2 units.

In my opinion the owner is asking for too much for the triplex ($699k, mill basin near kings plaza e55th st).  My guess would be it needs between $50 to $100k to get it back where it needs to be to attract the right type of tenant.  This is just a guess though as I am not a trained appraiser.

With my meager savings I am not sure I would be able to carry the mortgage by myself the several months of renovations I would want done on the place before I were to rent it out providing I could buy the property from the owner much lower than the asking.  It is several months since he put it up for sale and he is not getting any concrete offers.

Currently, the owner wants to get rid of all the tenants including myself (I've lived there for over 25 years).  He thinks he will be able to entice buyers into offering something close to his asking.  No one has done so thus far.

I have not done any hard numbers but I seriously think it would be a mistake for me to invest in this property.  For a serious experience investor however, I think it would be a good investment opportunity.

I need a long term financial plan for myself involving real estate in the local area.  

So I have decided that my next move is to find a small studio in the area and continue renting so I can relax a bit and focus on deal that make sense and not be pressured into making a mistake early on.  Ideally, I would have loved to do a house hack to start off.  I just don't think there is enough time for me to find the right property.  There is too much pressure from this unreasonable owner to leave.  He really thinks he can get close to $699k for his property.

Am I making sense here?  I appreciate everyone's insight.

Thanks.