All Forum Posts by: Poem Turner
Poem Turner has started 29 posts and replied 162 times.
Post: Killeen Property Management

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
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Keith and Janet Prang at Gold Medal Property Management are outstanding folks. I highly recommend them.
http://www.goldmedalrentals.com/
Post: Recommend a title company (Austin) ?

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
I also recommend anyone at Austin Title!
Post: Investor - Newly Licensed (Question)

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Wes, welcome to BP and the Austin area!
I am a "part-time" investor as well. I manage our rental properties, homeschool my two children and work with out of state investors. The broker I work with is a personal friend, but as an independent brokerage, he also allows a lot of flexibility; Jason Crouch with Austin Texas Homes. His company has been around for over 20 years, so he has relationships with.......well, everyone. As long as you communicate your plans with him, and RSVP to the occasional gathering, he's fine with it being "no" almost every time, he just wants to know you're still out there! That being said, his established relationships mean you have built in resources and access to free training and seminars just like the big firms. We're currently going through the Buffini Peak Producers course, but I've only made 2 of the last 5.
Feel free to check him out and give him a call. He's a great guy and an outstanding agent.
Post: Texas rental application and lease agreement

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Thanks Laurie! I'm actually in the same boat, so thanks for the info!
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
@Kris Martinez- Thanks for your input. The home warranty is more of a crutch, if they even agree to it. I had not heard of it not covering things in the inspection report, I've never been asked when I used it for personal properties in the past.
Taxes are pulled from Bell county website, insurance is a real quote, and PM is 8.5%
I like your 5/5/5% rule of thumb. What do you mean by 10% leasing?
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Thanks @Bill Tyler, transferable warranties were requested should they decide to have the repairs done. I suspect the seller doesn't have the cash to do the repairs, we thought giving him the option would make him feel less powerless. We'll see.
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Hah! OK, so I knew it wasn't a first class property, but it's pretty bad. You know how you say a house has good bones but needs cosmetic work? This one doesn't have good bones. Roof - trashed, foundation - sinking at each corner, windows have been replaced with plexiglass! (I'll be on the lookout for that from now on!), metal railings and balustrades - not to code, HVACs - all failing due to the tilt of the foundation pooling the oil and keeping them from being lubricated properly, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
That being said, we've gone back to the seller with two options: them repairing the roof, foundation and windows with ~5% off the contract price, or them selling it to us for a song and we fix everything. Let's see how badly they want out!
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Originally posted by @Bill Tyler:
Wow! What a great price! I recently was trying for 3 package deal here in Arlington (2 quadplexes and a triplex) but the owner was insisting on $249k each for the quads and $199k for the triplex. He also wanted cash only, no showings, had no maintenance records, and no rent rolls.
The numbers do look pretty good. I would definitely factor in the roof though at 15 years old - it is pretty close to the end of it's life cycle. With all of the major storms that hit the area last year - what are the chances the current owners insurance will pay for a new roof before the sale? If not, maybe negotiate a portion of the roof replacement into your offer?
If the 2 HVAC units and a water heater will need replacing soon - have that in your budget and replace them as soon as you take ownership. I'm sure you know how Murphy's Law works in Texas. The first time temperatures hit 100°+ both units will go out on a Saturday evening. lol
Good luck!
@Bill Tyler Oh my! That sounds pretty questionable. This seller is being pretty transparent in terms of sharing his financials with us, but obviously you can type whatever you want in a spreadsheet. We're angling for a home warranty/service contract, and then pray the HVAC units fail this summer! But if we don't get so lucky, we'll account for replacing them early on.
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
Originally posted by @Michael Boyer:
Neat post... 100K fourplexes make me miss Texas... like 80's country music...
I have an older fourplex in a working class area, the repair/maintenance may depend on how much you do yourself/hire out and labor rates there... To be safe on an older one, where you may hire out work, and when estimating for a purchase, I would go more like 10% (there is also a Rental Property Calculator on the tool bar above FYI that is pretty snazzy and I think you get one freebie on it)...
Also, one cost that is becoming very clear to me (and one I suggest all newbies studies) is the old hobgoblin of capital expenses (CapEx) and how you want to set aside reserves for the replacement of major items on the property (like the roof you mention) that hit the end of their useful life... It is hard to explain, but I can feel both my fourplex producing positive cash flow, but some of it is illusory as the parking lot is a few years away from being replaced, the decks a few more, the windows, and much more... So I try and set aside money for these that feels like mine but I know will need to be plowed back.
The capital reserves you set aside (called CapEx) are not so much about a needed repair (which you asked about) but funding a major future project. By setting aside an amount monthly, ideally you cover the cost when the item needs to be replaced. There are even formulas and charts...
But after a decade I see Cap Ex is a fickle and sometimes arbitrary mistress, and sometimes you have to have the money or else (like to prevent roof failure) but other times, like with my 80's cabinets that I refinished (and they still get compliments), things can go safely and usefully past their useful life (80's brown shag carpet anyone? that stuff was bulletproof and I think I have a couple of rooms left in my property portfolio, it won't die, like Methusela flooring--Cap Ex be damned... ) Similarly, the more I learn about concrete, I can mix and cure it to last longer than I can ever expect to live (again useful life be damned)... and if you are patch, repair, OCD maintenance landlord, you can cheat it some extending the useful life of many items (though you could argue the labor and repair is the input of the Cap Ex money, but mostly my own elbow grease, and I get some exercise to boot)...
So I like your start alot (ahead of me when I looked at my first rental long ago!) and think you have a neat idea...I would research the property's needs and condition (as you seem to have sagely started) and calculate CapEx on a monthly basis into your equation (the article linked below shows a sample Cap Exchart) and see the many BP forums on Cap Ex.
Brandon Turner is a gifted real estate writer and explains estimating Cap Ex better than I could here (on How to Estimate Future CapEx Expenses on a Rental Property):
Thanks for the insight @Michael Boyer. I know what you mean about CapEx, it works the same with budgeting for your own home....... I'll definitely keep an eye on what the inspection shows.
Post: Quadplex as first deal

- Real Estate Agent
- Georgetown, TX
- Posts 169
- Votes 107
This may be a little ambitious......but there's a quadplex I'm considering as a first investment. Because the numbers look like they work.
It's an older property, and definitely a C neighborhood. But a well kept C neighborhood if that makes sense?
The owner is out of state and wants out, badly.
All units are rented and under a reputable property management firm. Wasn't my original plan, but 4 doors an hour away in an older building may be a wise move for the first year.
Roof is 15 years old, 2 HVACs will need replacing soon, and possibly a water heater. I'm angling for a home warranty from the seller.
All units' floors, kitchens and baths were reno'd in the last year.
I'd appreciate any feedback from those of you with a seasoned eye. Am I being far too hopeful with 5% maintenance and repairs?
Thanks!