All Forum Posts by: Peter Walther
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Post: Executing deal on condemned property - how to do it?

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I agree with Tom, if you and your lender know about the condemnation notice and any notices of violation, the title underwriter should approve issuing the policy with an exception for them.
Post: Title company costs

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Quote from @Ken M.:
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Quote from @Ken M.:
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Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount. The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate. Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.
Just curious, does a Title company get bothered over an investor ordering a Title Report only and not actually buying Title Insurance?
I never worked on the agent side of the relationship, just the underwriter, so I can't be certain, but I believe that if it's a client they've done business with before and expect to again they're fine with it. Keep in mind that a title report is different than a title commitment and I believe that an agent would expect to be paid if a commitment is issued but the transaction doesn't close.
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Post: Title company costs

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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Peter Walther:
Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount. The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate. Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.
Just curious, does a Title company get bothered over an investor ordering a Title Report only and not actually buying Title Insurance?
I never worked on the agent side of the relationship, just the underwriter, so I can't be certain, but I believe that if it's a client they've done business with before and expect to again they're fine with it. Keep in mind that a title report is different than a title commitment and I believe that an agent would expect to be paid if a commitment is issued but the transaction doesn't close.
Post: Title company costs

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Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount. The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate. Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.
Post: Rehabbed residential property found to be zoned commercially- Refinacing impossible?

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I believe zoning matters are excluded from coverage in most standard title policies but there may be some coverage if you purchased a Homeowner's form policy. Even then there may not be coverage unless the city forces you to remove the improvement. I suggest you submit a claim to the insurer and see what they say. The worst they can do is deny coverage.
I'm just baffled that I wasn't informed by anyone.
I suspect you're assuming the seller knew about the change in zoning which may not be true. In any case, if I were the seller I'd ask why you as buyer didn't investigate the current zoning. Have you checked to see what the value of the property is zoned as commercial? Perhaps the value is more than zoned as residential. Generally, isn't property used as residential worth less if it is in the middle of commercially zoned property?
Post: Rehabbed residential property found to be zoned commercially- Refinacing impossible?

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I believe zoning matters are excluded from coverage in most standard title policies but there may be some coverage if you purchased a Homeowner's form policy. Even then there may not be coverage unless the city forces you to remove the improvement. I suggest you submit a claim to the insurer and see what they say. The worst they can do is deny coverage.
Post: Purchasing the company (LLC or Corporation) that holds the property

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Quote from @Stuart Udis:
I've sold membership interest and admitted members into LLC's (normally for vertical development phases of projects after completing entitlements). I've also purchased membership interest in an LLC, but never acquired an LLC that's the deed holder of real estate. In my market there are transfer tax obligations. Your initial posts suggested there is no need for title insurance, recommended taking over predecessor bank accounts, rely on predecessor operating agreements. There's a lot of impressionable viewers of these forums and while there may be cost savings associated with the steps you outlined, there are inherent risks I don't believe were adequately disclosed.
I suspect that a buyer of an interest in an LLC would not be able to purchase a title insurance policy since a member of an LLC does not have an insurable interest in the property, only the LLC does. Now if the LLC is an insured under an existing policy one might be able to purchase an endorsement to the policy moving the effective date through the date of the purchase, but keep in mind, the policy probably excludes acts of the insured, so if the title search misses a defect of lien, say a mortgage created by the LLC and not disclosed by the seller of the LLC interest, any loss would probably not be covered.
Post: What's A Title Report? Why Am I Paying For It? Buying Properties 101

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I think one of the main differences between the two is the liability coverage you receive for a missed document. In the case of a title report the liability may be limited to as little as the amount you paid for the report, $50 or $60. Some of the limitations are for up to $1k. Of course, that doesn't help if you've spent more in reliance on the report. Many people don't realize that even a title commitment, a contract where the insurer agrees to insure title if its conditions are met, limit liability to the amount the proposed insured spends in trying to meet the commitment requirements. Searchers do miss documents, examiners do misinterpret what effect documents have, there are matters which effect title that can't be found in a search, so I'm carful in thinking a title report is a panacea for moving forward.
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Agreed. I use title reports initially to determine if there is a reason to not move forward, then switch to coverage if I think the risk is worth the coverage and buy the property. In reality, I've read that title insurance is one of the most profitable income streams for a title company. That must mean title companies really don't miss much, don't find it expensive to research and don't lose too many lawsuits.
When SubTo students/buyers don't transact using escrow and/or title insurance, in order to save money, I think they are foolishly making a terrific mistake.
Title insurance is what's known as monoline, so for the underwriter, it's all they do. The premium, search fees and interest on investments are the sole income streams. Profitability is tied closely to the real estate market of course. More transactions, purchase and refi, the more income. Sometimes net margins can be as high as 30%, other times it's in the red. Agents on the other hand receive closing fees and other charges that add to the bottom line. It can be very profitable, or not.
Post: What's A Title Report? Why Am I Paying For It? Buying Properties 101

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I think one of the main differences between the two is the liability coverage you receive for a missed document. In the case of a title report the liability may be limited to as little as the amount you paid for the report, $50 or $60. Some of the limitations are for up to $1k. Of course, that doesn't help if you've spent more in reliance on the report. Many people don't realize that even a title commitment, a contract where the insurer agrees to insure title if its conditions are met, limit liability to the amount the proposed insured spends in trying to meet the commitment requirements. Searchers do miss documents, examiners do misinterpret what effect documents have, there are matters which effect title that can't be found in a search, so I'm carful in thinking a title report is a panacea for moving forward.
Post: Question about need for tax confirmation suit in certain situations

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I think I would go to a title agent in the county in MS and ask to purchase a title policy insuring my interest in the property. They probably would produce a title commitment that lists the requirements for the issuance of the policy. If one of the requirements is for a quiet title action I would ask if there were any alternatives that would address the concern.