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All Forum Posts by: Randy E.

Randy E. has started 18 posts and replied 1279 times.

Post: Wholesale Hustle

Randy E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Durham, NC
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Originally posted by @Braden C.:

If you go in with no contingencies and a quick close, you've probably got a decent shot. 

 That's what I'm hoping for, Braden.  I'm not concerned with the condition of the house.  I've had a good look at it and unless there's a foundation issue (of which I see no signs,) there's nothing that should arise to trip me up during reno.  Although, I do want to get up in the attic and check a couple of potential problem areas I see along the roof line.  Nothing that would derail the deal, but just so I'm aware of the severity (or not) of the problem.

Thanks for the response.

Post: Wholesale Hustle

Randy E.Posted
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  • Durham, NC
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I've been watching this property for a while now.  Over one year at least, maybe 18 months.  The property is vacant, in disrepair, and just about perfect for me.  The major problem was that the price was about twice as much as I thought I should pay for it.  

So I waited, and watched.  And watched and waited.  The property went from being listed, to being unlisted.  A few weeks later, it was listed for sale again, but only on one of the web sites I track.  The price was only slightly lower than before.  But it was a decrease, and that was good.  

Over the next few months, its availability seemingly stopped and started several times.  Sometimes the price was lower than before.  Sometimes it boomeranged back up to the original list price.  Sometimes there was a sign posted in the front yard, sometimes not, sometimes the sign was laying prone on the steps, sometimes resting against the house on the front porch, sometimes gone completely.  I couldn't figure out what the heck was going on with the house.

Then, a few months ago, I started frequenting Bigger Pockets and became obsessed with the forums here.  As anyone who visits these forums knows, there is a lot of discussion about wholesaling.  I never quite knew the term "wholesale" before as it pertained to RE, and I've gotten quite the education in that particular slice of the RE world.  A light bulb went off over my head, and I realized this house I'd been following for the last year and a half was being wholesaled.  The last listed price I saw for the house was exactly in the middle of what I wanted to pay and what it had been listed for before.

Armed with that knowledge, I finally called the number listed on sign.  I figured a wholesaler probably had a healthy markup and could stand to accept a smaller profit on a property that's sat on the market for over a year.  No answer.  I left a message saying I was interested in an all cash, quick close deal.  No one returned my call that day.  Nor the next day, or the next.  Three weeks later, this past weekend, I got a call from a guy who said he "represented" the house. 

He apologized for not returning my call sooner, and said the house had "sort of" been under contract for a few weeks, but that the situation was "fluid" now.  I asked was the price firm or could we negotiate.  He said the "current" offer was for the current full asking price and that he couldn't see accepting less from me.  I suggested he keep working that deal because I would not come very close to the asking price, and asked only that he call me back if the other deal fell through.

He indicated the other "current" deal wasn't exactly on the table any more, and asked what I would offer.  I told him.  He said he would have to run that number by his "partner" (whom he referred to as "he" and "him", so I took his partner to be a man) and that he would get back to me the next day.  Well it is now four days later and I've heard nothing.

Until today when I got email from a woman I met a couple of months ago.  She asked if I'd be interested in properties on the same street where this house was located.  She said she was working on "securing" the property, which I took to mean she was double wholesaling it.  Turns out it is the same house, but the price she quoted me was nearly as high as the original list price, 23% higher than the price still listed on two different places on the internet.  I told her my offer.  No deal, but she'd contact me about other houses in the future.

Okay, all that to get to where I am now.  I want to contact the owner directly.  Not just for my benefit, but for his.  He apparently wants to sell, but has been put on hold for over a year while some middleman tries to squeeze a bigger profit out of the house.  I want to buy, but not at the middleman's price.  I figure the price the homeowner wants is probably exactly where I want to be on the property.

I have contact information for the actual owner, and I think I should just get in touch with him directly.

Thoughts?

Post: Deal at 48% Market Value

Randy E.Posted
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Originally posted by @Kyle Williams-johnson:

Thanks the area isn't really much of a "hot spot", but the numbers work, and it isn't in bad shape at all. It would need $15-$20K in renovations, and updates (cosmetics, updates, landscaping, A/C). Its a great rental with flip potential. The area is good too. I have 3 comps my highest coming at $119K,  so in this instance I could be overestimating the repairs, and underestimating its value..I really don't know at this point.

 I think it's safe to say you're not underestimating its value.  If anything, you're overestimating the value of the house.

Also, regarding the renovation estimate: $20K of repairs to a regular buyer who plans to live in the home probably looks like way too much work to sign on for.  I'm just guessing, but to get to that amount, we're probably talking about a horrible looking kitchen and bath, maybe a bad roof that needs new shingles, smelly stained carpet, and dirty walls with holes in the drywall.  Maybe the landscaping looks less than ideal, too.  Very few owner occupants will look at that and go, "Honey, we're home!"

$20K may be acceptable to an investor, but an investor may be looking to get the house at a lower price in order to make a better investment.  $36K + $20K = $56K.  Add in a surprise or two (or maybe that repair estimate is underestimated) and the all-in cost could be $61K-$66K.  That doesn't leave much wiggle room for a flipper if the comps come in at $79K.

If the home is in a great rental area, I suggest you get it in decent condition and rent it yourself.  You can make some money off the property in the immediate future, then maybe put it back on the market in a year or two.

Good luck

Post: Deal at 48% Market Value

Randy E.Posted
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Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

It's not worth $75k in it's current condition then.

 Further, if no one is buying it at the current list price, it's not worth $36K either.

Kyle, I haven't done hundreds of deals.  However, what little I've learned so far says that if no offers are coming in, then the price is too high.  That's usually a bitter pill to swallow, but it's probably true here.

Post: $70 Washer Usage Education Fee

Randy E.Posted
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I'd pay the bill, but I'd have a talk with the tenant to remind him that any damages that result from his negligence are his financial responsibility.  I have such clauses in my lease.  Hopefully, you do too.  

Then again, I have no idea what Canadian landlord law might have to say about such clauses.  I don't consider requiring a tenant to pay a repair bill because of something he did to be the same as charging a tenant a fee.  But, I am not a lawyer, and certainly not a lawyer familiar with landlord law in Ontario.

Good luck.

Post: I bought my first Multifamily (triplex)!!

Randy E.Posted
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Congratulations @Jon Huber!  That looks like a wonderful deal for you.  All I can say is I am so jealous of you right now.  I'm hoping to get a small multi-family like that one next year.  Hopefully I'll get as good a deal as yours.

Post: Who can manage a property

Randy E.Posted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I think you are correct Glenn, but our worry is he has an issue tenant right not that might need a pay or quit notice and possible eviction. There is just no way he could go to court right now. We are hoping it doesn't come to this though. We are willing to go talk with the tenant to resolve this but not sure we are legally allowed to do so. They will be close to 2 months behind on rent come May. They wrote two bad checks in a row. 

 I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

Last year, I accompanied a friend to eviction court.  Her mother was very ill (actually, is now dead) and the daughter was handling a couple of rentals the mother owned.  The daughter has zero knowledge of being a landlord.  Actually, the mother also had very limited knowledge of being a proper landlord.

After the tenant complained in court more than once about being forced to discuss rental business with the daughter and not the mother with whom she signed the lease, the eviction court magistrate said in no uncertain terms that the owner of the property can designate the daughter (or anyone else she chooses, regardless of RE license) to act as her "agent" in these matters. 

After a brief amount of testimony, the magistrate evicted the tenant and gave her ten days to move.

Again, I am not a lawyer and you would do best to ask a local lawyer about laws specific to your state.

Good luck.

Post: Another newbie in NC!

Randy E.Posted
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Welcome to North Carolina, @Susan Fagnant-Patry.  By coincidence, my sister-in-law is a bank manager in NC.  I hope you're enjoying your stay here.

Don't be too afraid.  Sooner or later, you'll have to dive in and see how the investment waters feel.

Post: Low-income Renters

Randy E.Posted
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Originally posted by @Dawn Anastasi:

It's not such a big deal to rent to lower income people, just make sure you don't rent to lower class people.

Lower income = not having a lot of money

Lower class = liars, drug users/dealers, questionable morals, lack of respect

There are lower income people that have a high amount of class just as there can be more wealthy people that are lower class.

Lower income and lower class people can come in any color.  Just do your screening well and skip the lower class people.

 I have nothing to add.  There's some good advice in this thread, but I especially like  Dawn's great advice.

I do have something to add.  A lot of people are completely against properties in low income neighborhoods.  As said in other posts in this thread, many people surviving on lower incomes have a different perspective on life than people from the middle-middle class to upper-middle class.  If a landlord can't adapt to understanding that perspective and understanding how to effectively communicate with people who hold that perspective, that landlord is going to encounter difficulty renting in those neighborhoods.

If just the thought of driving through low income neighborhoods makes you nervous, it's probably not for you.  If the thought of visiting the corner store and chatting with the people standing outside turns you off, owning properties there is probably not for you.  If the fact that someone may speak to you in a different intonation than you are accustomed to hearing upsets you -- in other words, if you can't ignore what you might perceive or attack and keep your responses calm and respectful, you may be in for a rocky ride.  If none of those things bother you, you may (may) be suited to be a landlord in low income neighborhoods.

I started with properties in low-income neighborhoods and I'm not looking to ditch all my properties as soon as I can buy more expensive properties.  There's more than one way to do things.  Not every method suits every investor.  Investment diversification is a wonderful thing.

Post: listed house that i feel i could get much cheeper with dealing directly with owner

Randy E.Posted
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  • Durham, NC
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Originally posted by @John Oitice:

she wrote the offer using my hot spot in the car with me i watched it get sent 

 Oh.  I guess that covers it.  I was unsure before that an actual written offer had been submitted.  I was under the impression only a verbal offer was given.

If it was a written offer, as the others have said, the agent should have presented it to the seller.