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All Forum Posts by: Richie Thomas

Richie Thomas has started 33 posts and replied 258 times.

Post: Real estate license?

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

@John Warren I'm curious about the point you made about the relative transaction volume of attorneys and title companies.  I'd imagine that starting out under an attorney who handles 50 properties per month, @Oscar Flores would see fewer deals than he might if he started out at a title company that has to process 200 properties each month, but I reckon he'd get to dive into each one more deeply (and possibly learn just as much?).  I'm also a new investor though, so I'm here to learn as well.

I don't want to hijack this thread with a tangential question, but could you give us your opinion on that quality vs. quantity trade-off?

Post: [Calc Review] Oakland, CA investors help me analyze this deal

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

Hi Amaju, here are some thoughts:

-Oakland is quite a big area, and from an investor's perspective, some sections (Skyline, Piedmont, *maybe* Lake Merritt) are better than others (Fruitvale, the Coliseum).  Unless you know something most people don't, or unless you know the area like the back of your hand, it may be wise to tread lightly when investing here.  Here's a breakdown of local crime stats, on a per-neighborhood basis.

One step you could take is to plug in the property address to the Alameda County Assessor's website and see if the city or county have recently levied any special assessments for things like street paving, sidewalk repair, etc.  That same website should also be able to tell you whether your property tax estimate of 7% is accurate as a whole.

-You're budgeting 6% for property management fees in a location that is, again, quite challenging to invest in successfully.  Property management is not the place to focus your cost-cutting efforts- quite the opposite, in fact.  Often the most profitable choice is to pay a premium for a PM who goes the extra mile, acts as a buffer between you and the many headaches that can arise, runs interference between you and problem tenants, and generally brings you solutions instead of problems.  I've heard many more experienced investors on the BP podcast say that a high-quality PM is like a diamond in the rough, and is the most important component of their deal team.

If you really want to be safe, find a trustworthy local property manager *before* you buy a property, and involve them in the deal from the beginning.  Ask them whether each property you analyze would be something they'd want to manage.  They'll give you information that few other investors possess.

-Your CapEx and Repairs budgets sum up to 10%. A lot of the properties in this area are quite old, and many have deferred maintenance issues. It wouldn't hurt to double each of these line items. Then if you're wrong, you can be pleasantly surprised.

-I see that your repair cost budget is not insignificant ($60k), but as a percentage of the purchase price (6%) it's not as high as it could be.  I have a coworker who bought a house just north of Oakland, and they had to have the property physically raised onto stilts so that a foundation expert could replace the old brick foundation with one that is more seismically sound. This repair cost them tens of thousands of dollars to do.  Since your property is a rental, this may be a mandatory improvement that you'll have to make.  Oakland has a 70% pass-through law (which means you can pass along 70% of the retrofit cost to the tenant, amortized over a 5-year period).  But you're still eating that leftover 30%.  Here is a website containing info on which properties are most likely to be in need of retrofitting.

-Where are you getting a 4.7% interest rate on a non-owner-occupied mortgage?  Not doubting your numbers, but I'd love to know who your lender is.

-Your income breakdown is just labeled "A", "B", "C", and "D".  Without more meaningful labels, it's hard to know whether they're accurate.  Is this a four-unit multi-family with equally-sized units, each paying the same rent?  If so, are these already rented out at the same price of $2,300 per unit, or are these pro-forma numbers?  How many bedrooms and bathrooms per-unit?

Without more info from your end, it's hard to judge the accuracy of your numbers.  If you'd rather not share the address, then providing at least a zip code and a property description (# of bedrooms/bathrooms, square footage, age of the house, etc.) would help us gauge things like neighborhood desirability and rent expectations more accurately.  Hopefully the above info is helpful.

Post: Please Help Analyze - First Potential Property

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

BTW @Elliot Fuller, one value-add strategy that Brandon Turner sometimes mentions on the BiggerPockets podcast is taking an over-sized 2-bedroom property (i.e. one whose square footage is already closer to a 3-bedroom) and actually converting it into a 3-bedroom.  If I'm correct about the drop in average rent and what it implies about investor competition, this means that there may be less competition for 2-bedroom and 4-bedroom properties (especially 2-bedroom ones).  So maybe consider Brandon's strategy as a way to get into the 3-bedroom bracket at a relatively low price point.  Although you'd be moving the property from a bracket with little downward rent pressure into one with relatively greater pressure, so factor that in as well.

Post: Opinions on 34110 zipcode (Bonita Springs / Naples)?

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

@Alvin Taveras thanks for replying.  It's a relief to hear about the zip, and that's good advice about the comps, I hadn't considered that.  Kinda makes the process trickier, but it also makes the valuation more accurate.  Condos seem like a much different beast than SFRs, to say the least.

Here's a link to the property, which I'm starting to have 2nd thoughts about. The listing seems to have some inaccuracies, since they mention HOA fees are $0. How would that even be possible, unless there's major deferred maintenance taking place in the complex? Also, the property description says "Annual Tenant-Occupied". I assume that means there's already a tenant in-place and that this listing is meant for investors (as opposed to owner-occupants), and that the lease is annual in nature. Does that sound correct?

@John Thedford yeah I'm starting to agree with you on condos.  I haven't invested in one yet but I've listened to quite a few BiggerPockets podcast episodes, and Brandon Turner sounds kinda burnt out on them because they can levy assessments any time (in addition to those rule changes you mentioned).  Sounds like I'm better off passing on this specific property.  Thanks for your advice.

Post: BP Rental Property Calculator

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

The amount borrowed from the hard money lender will depend on the terms that the lender offers you.  The terms offered by private lenders will differ from those offered by corporate HM lenders like LendingHome, who I've received quotes from in the past.  Those quotes were for 80-85% of the purchase price, plus 100% of the rehab costs.  Your terms may vary depending on the property, your credit score and financial picture, etc.

The "Cash Purchase" field assumes you've got cash in hand to cover the full purchase price, and don't need a hard money loan.  Some investors will front the cash in order to get a lower purchase price (since all-cash offers are more attractive to some sellers), and then immediately refi their purchase with no seasoning period.  Not every investor can afford to do that, however.

On the BRRRR calculator, the only section in which you should have to fill in the amortization section is in the refi loan section, not the hard money / purchase loan section.

Here is the first BRRRR analysis I ever did. The hard money loan was via lending home, at a 15% downpayment plus 100% of the rehab costs. I got a pre-approval off of their website, which is where the numbers come from (9.5% interest, approx. $4200 in points and fees, etc.). They also offer rental loans as of a few weeks ago, so I got a pre-approval for one of those as well for the refi loan. I have no affiliation with LendingHome, I just like their online pre-approval process. Let me know if you find another HM lender with a similar online tool, I'm always looking out for more lending options. Also let me know if you want to walk through this BRRRR example a bit more.

Post: BP Rental Property Calculator

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

@Steve Kirsch what's your plan for the property? It sounds like you're funding the purchase and rehab with a hard money loan, rehabbing it once the seasoning period is over, and renting it out, right? If so, then that's exactly what the BRRRR calculator can help you with. It has fields for both purchase loans and refi loans, and allows you to indicate how many months before the refi occurs (which sounds like the crux of your question).

Post: Help me analyze this deal

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

Update- I found the property's parcel # (11-0-0008-0179), and plugged that into the property's online records on the Wayne County Tax Assessor's site.  Nothing stands out as particularly good or bad, but that in itself could be a useful data point (i.e. no news is good news).

Unfortunately I couldn't find whether the county recorder has a similar online record lookup on their website.  That would have been useful for checking things like assessments, liens, etc.

Post: Help me analyze this deal

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

Hey Ruth, this looks like a good get.  A couple things I noticed:

-Vacancy rates in Honesdale seem to be closer to 7.5% than 5%.

-I see this is a duplex with a 2-BR and a 3-BR.  According to Rentometer, median 3-BR rents in Honesdale are $1,275 and median 2-BR rents are $750, giving you a combined monthly income of $2,025.  Rather than increase your estimate though, I think it's safer to keep it as-is.  Then if you've under-estimated, you can be pleasantly surprised.

-Looks like 3-BR rentals are doing a little better vs. same time last year, but 2-BR rentals are doing a little worse.  You have one of each in this duplex, so maybe something to keep in mind for the medium-to-long term:


-Your estimated rehab time is 3 months (which sounds conservative, in a good way). But your estimated time to refinance is 12 months. Why keep your cash in the property for so long? Especially since I see your post-refi cash-on-cash return is more than double your pre-refinance ROI?

-Your loan interest rate post-refi looks a bit low for a non-owner-occupant.  I've got pretty decent credit and have been quoted rates of 5.8% for investment properties.  Has a bank quoted you 4% for an investor loan?  If so, I'd be curious to hear which bank that was. :-)

-Your Repairs budget (5%) looks a bit low, but your CapEx (15%) looks a bit high. Taken together at 20%, they seem like a good, conservative estimate to me.

-I'd agree with @Tim Herman that refi expenses of $1,000 seems a bit light.  Not sure what a more accurate amount would be, but perhaps talk to someone at your local community bank to get specifics before committing to this property (just to be safe).

-Honesdale looks like a nice community- a crime score of 40 on NeighborhoodScout.com (which is actually good compared to lots of other cities I've seen).  Doesn't look like there's much to worry about on that front.

Thanks for sharing this- I'm not an expert, but this looks like a catch to me.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal in NH

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

@Ruth P. looks like this wouldn't work as a BRRRR deal, but have you considered a fix-and-flip? Those post-refi expenses kill the chance of a buy-and-hold play, but if the asking price is currently at $140k and you're able to pay cash (which it appears you are from the pre-refi acquisition costs), that cash offer may give you leverage to offer a lower purchase price (unless you've already factored that in). I ran the numbers on a fix-and-flip deal and (unless I'm way off on my figures) it looks like you aren't too far off from a healthy profit.

Fix-And-Flip Link

This of course assumes your after-repair value of $233,000 holds up.  How did you arrive at that number?

Post: Can i get a job in real estate? Without a license?

Richie ThomasPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Sedona, AZ
  • Posts 258
  • Votes 141

@Oscar Flores the list of activities which don't require a real estate license varies from state to state.  This page contains a list of activities for the state of California, which appears to be where you're located.  As a California real estate assistant, it sounds like you're allowed to do the following:

-cold-call prospective customers (although not regarding a specific property, transaction, or product), 

-assist with open houses,

-conduct a comparative market analysis (i.e. identify comp properties), 

-arrange appointments, 

-give entrance to a property to inspectors or other authorized 3rd parties, 

-prepare and design advertising, 

-prepare documents and transaction instruments, 

-deliver and obtain signatures for documents (although you can't discuss the contents), 

-accept money for trust funds (i.e. earnest money or similar), 

-relay certain information between the agent and the principal, and 

-review transaction documents for completeness and compliance.

Hope this helps.  For those reading this who aren't in California, this page contains a list of activities for the state of Illinois, along with similar lists for other states below that.