Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 16%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$39 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Try Pro Features for Free
Start your 7 day free trial. Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties.
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Spencer Hilligoss

Spencer Hilligoss has started 4 posts and replied 128 times.

Post: Cash on cash return of 4% is ok?

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@Derrick U. - I think it's smart to put questions like this out to the BiggerPockets community. It's a great way to get actionable feedback!

If you're looking for a quick answer, my take is: "nope" 4-5% CoC return is not attractive.

Now, that said... a "good" return to one investor is "bad" to another, it all depends on goals and investing criteria. I think it's important to take these first two steps, whenever possible, before looking at specific properties:

  • Step 1: Set your goal(s) - are you targeting a specific monthly cashflow amount? Or you chasing yield?
  • Step 2: Set your investing criteria - what is the minimum CoC you're willing to accept? Over what time period? Do you require the property to cashflow from day 1? (hope so!)

Good luck with the search. I live in a part of the country where CoC returns are typically even lower than 4-5% for rentals (Bay Area, CA), so I look toward markets on the other side of the country. 'Tis the burden of living in a "money" state and not a "deal" state!

Post: Anyone invest with Nighthawk Equity?

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@Pat Quinn - I joined the entry level version of Michael Blank's coaching program a couple years ago when I was stepping up my underwriting skills. It was well structured, well run and highly beneficial.

I have also invested as an LP in 1 Nighthawk student deal. The deal is delivering on pro forma, communication has been proactive and professional.

---

On a related note, it's my personal belief that coaching programs are an investment in one self. The dollar amount someone is willing to pay entirely depends on the mentees goals, communication style and learning approach. I know multiple investors who paid way more than $25k for a REI coach and achieved an ROI from dozens of deals that far exceeded the coaching expense. They applied the skills they acquired from the coaching partnership. Their professional successes were enabled by their coaching relationships (and hustle, and creativity, and support from family/friends, and... and. and.. and....). Soapboxing, complete.

Post: Real estate syndicate

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@John Pickowicz - hi John. There's a wealth of information in these forums, compiled over many threads from dozens of successful operators (GPs) and experienced limited partners (LPs) in syndications. A quick search forum search for "syndication" or "multifamily" and you'll find a treasure trove of resources on this topic.

happy to educate more if you send a DM.

Post: Buying a house assest or liability

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@Antonio Pican

I was first introduced to the concept of "your home is a liability not an asset," when I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad.  At first, I was pretty defensive about it - having recently invested most of our capital into a pricey bay area home.

The more I reflected on it, the more I found it exciting and educational. It opened my mind to a new way of thinking and helped me take the first steps toward a new career as a real estate investor.

That said, our home gained over $300k in equity over a few years of this bull market.  Is it still a 'liability?'  We got lucky on the market timing.  I now think of our home as both an asset and liability.  In our market, it wouldn't perform as a cashflowing rental, but it is likely to appreciate over the longterm. 

Assuming you're referring to investing in multifamily syndications on the GP side. If that's the case: key benefit is that you can take down a property worth (at least) 10x as much, and all the benefits that come along with multifamily (onsite property management, non-recourse debt, and, and, and, and, and... ).

Of course, passive investors (LPs) can invest in a syndication..... passively. If an investor is weighing LP investing in a sydncation vs. buying a small rental property (as an example), it comes down to personal time investment and the intended strategy for the capital. Example: we use property managers on our residential properties and it's still more work than the experience when we've invested as LPs in syndications.

Post: LoopNet for Multifamily???

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@Benjamin Kaufman - Loopnet can be handy for analysis (underwriting) practice fodder and as a means of connecting with local brokers (once you are ready to speak with them competently). The only folks i've talked who have found deals on LoopNet have a system and a team member who analysis dozens/hundreds of deals and know that they'll have to work through that many to find a workable deal

Loopnet is a valuable resource, I just wouldn't spend time there expecting to find a deal. when I was getting started, I would spend time there to analyze deals, work on my underwriting and practice building credibility with brokers. It's good for that. 

Post: Multi Family Syndication Team

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@Matt Nettles - such a fun, challenging and exhilarating jump from SF->MF. Congrats on making it happen!

The smart folks on this thread already called out the merits of attending Meetups. In my experience, multifamily conferences are significantly higher-yield than meetups, minute-for-minute, when it comes to meeting potential partners.

As simple as it sounds, investors willing to pay for a ticket and travel to a conference tend to be more serious.  Meetups are great, but conferences have yielded amazing outcomes, speaking from personal experience. Ideally, attend both types!

Post: Investing out of state

Spencer HilligossPosted
  • Investor
  • Alameda, CA
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 169

@James Pettinelli - when we were first getting started, we worked through the same series of decision points. Here are a few things I found helpful when vetting markets and properties, "sight unseen."

Educate yourself: pickup a copy of @David Greene's book: Long-Distance Real Estate Investing

It's enjoyable and easy to apply. There are plenty of books that hit on this topic,  and this one is more residential focused, but some of the strategies/tactics apply to commercial, as well (assuming you're looking for commercial properties, since that's the forum we're in)

---

Set your investment criteria - after some self-education, this is the next step since it will guide the markets and submarkets you choose. what are your 'investment criteria?' 

---

Vetting properties: To your question of "how do I protect myself...?" this is more of a question related to the mid/late stages of your overall approach, whereas the the recommendations above are fundamental 'getting started' steps. Vetting really comes down to people and process. Most of these tips are covered in the other reading/education you'll find out there already, but here some of the things we did:

- If you are doing true 'long distance' investing (not easily driveable), I recommend focusing on finding/building at least a couple local relationships in the market you decide to target. Get to know people who live in the area, whether that's vendors, partners, other investors, etc.

- Get inspections with reliable local partners. Cross-check the inspection reports from each partner, with the other partners... and listen closely to how they discuss the findings. Example: it's interesting to compare the opinions of local insurance professionals vs. inspection companies

- We used WeGoLook.com and it worked well for what we needed it to do. You don't exactly get a detailed report or professional picture and video, back. But it gives you a nice visual gut-check on the specific block and submarket you're looking at, if you don't plan to travel to the property, prior to close

- Go deep vetting the market/submarket with publicly available data sources (like city-data.com). Get to know the recent history of the neighborhood you're looking at

- During due diligence, hold your ground (in a professional, friendly manner) when asking the seller for key documents, like rent roll and bank transaction statements. If the seller isn't willing to prove economic occupancy...  you're taking their word for it (and taking on some risk)

---

Most important: Regardless of which asset type you focus on, strongly encourage first-time out-of-state investors to work with an experienced partner. Whether that's a turnkey single family rental, a multifamily syndication structure or a great deal you want to buy outright, and are willing to give a % of returns away to an experienced local investor who will ensure you don't strike out on your first one (better to 'hit a double' than strike out altogether, right?)

    Post: Came into a lot of money - What should I do with it?

    Spencer HilligossPosted
    • Investor
    • Alameda, CA
    • Posts 132
    • Votes 169

    @Alan Miegel when I’ve found myself struggling to decide on a course of action (including, deploying our own capital)... It’s been most helpful to “slow things down,” and clarify big picture wealth and lifestyle goals, both for our own family as well as others who may need our assistance.

    Example: for my own family, we have a target for monthly passive and active real estate income. We are on track to hit this target on our planned timeline, but still have a couple years to realize it.

    With this^ goal in mind, I have walks away from some investments where the one of the variables doesn’t align to that monthly real estate income target (e.g. Hold period, payout frequency, return, passive/active time investment alignment).

    Bottom line: when a large cash influx occurs, I build in a required planning exercise with my business partner (and wife), to help us avoid jumping to action before we’ve align said action to our “big strategy”

    What is/are your goals?

    good luck thinking through it!

    @Michael Ealy - very cool story. thanks for sharing. do you travel internationally for real estate, these days?