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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

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Post: Wholesalers required to have license in VA

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Just double close. Yes, it costs a little more... adjust your offers accordingly.

The law is a mirage. Very few brokers will want licensed wholesalers under their umbrella.


 Wouldn’t marketing the property ahead of closing be brokering without a license?


I don't see marketing in the VA definition. But regardless I don't see how marketing a property you have under contract to another investor would be brokering unless they continue to move the goalposts. When you do it as a principal it’s neither for the seller nor for compensation. 

But then the law wouldn’t make sense, the whole point is to not allow you to wholesale, even if you are a contract holder you can’t assign it without a license. The fact that you double close at the end to me would have no bearing on the fact that you attempted to market the property for sale without a license which again is the entire intent of the law. I believe you could purchase an off market deal, than as soon as title cleared begin to market the property as you would now own it, but if you can just double close it would defeat the entire intent of law which btw is something courts will often look at during cases about interpretation of laws, what was the intent? It’s pretty clear the intent of the legislature was stop assignment of contracts without a license.


Again… who said anything about an assignment?

 Agian, the terms you use are totally irrelevant to the law, if more than two times a year you post on any public place that you are looking in anyway to be compensated even theoretically for a dollar for anything having to do with a real estate transaction and don’t either have clear title to that property or are properly licensed would in my reading of that law be in violation. You could offer to trade the property for a packet of m&m’s and unless you meet one of the above criteria be in violation of the statue. And again this is where you have to go back to the intent of the legislation, it wasn’t to have more double closing’s, it was to stop shady individuals from stealing equity from old people, and agian just because you can maybe find a loophole in the law doesn’t mean a judge or jury is gonna interpret that way.


The terms I am using are totally irrelevant to the law? 

Thanks for the laugh. The terms I am using are the terms actually included in the law. And the terms you are using:

more than two times a year you post on any public place that you are looking in anyway to be compensated even theoretically for a dollar for anything having to do with a real estate transaction and don’t either have clear title to that property or are properly licensed

Where did those terms come from?

Post: Wholesalers required to have license in VA

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Just double close. Yes, it costs a little more... adjust your offers accordingly.

The law is a mirage. Very few brokers will want licensed wholesalers under their umbrella.


 Wouldn’t marketing the property ahead of closing be brokering without a license?


I don't see marketing in the VA definition. But regardless I don't see how marketing a property you have under contract to another investor would be brokering unless they continue to move the goalposts. When you do it as a principal it’s neither for the seller nor for compensation. 

But then the law wouldn’t make sense, the whole point is to not allow you to wholesale, even if you are a contract holder you can’t assign it without a license. The fact that you double close at the end to me would have no bearing on the fact that you attempted to market the property for sale without a license which again is the entire intent of the law. I believe you could purchase an off market deal, than as soon as title cleared begin to market the property as you would now own it, but if you can just double close it would defeat the entire intent of law which btw is something courts will often look at during cases about interpretation of laws, what was the intent? It’s pretty clear the intent of the legislature was stop assignment of contracts without a license.

Again… who said anything about an assignment?

Legislative history is part of every law’s record. This bill expands the definition of real estate broker to include someone who regularly assigns contracts. It does not in any way relate to the double close scenario. Will they eventually pass legislation to include it, who knows. 

Some states include marketing a property or advertising on a listing service in the definition. Virginia does not appear to be one of those states. 

Post: Wholesalers required to have license in VA

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Just double close. Yes, it costs a little more... adjust your offers accordingly.

The law is a mirage. Very few brokers will want licensed wholesalers under their umbrella.


 Wouldn’t marketing the property ahead of closing be brokering without a license?


I don't see marketing in the VA definition. But regardless I don't see how marketing a property you have under contract to another investor would be brokering unless they continue to move the goalposts. When you do it as a principal it’s neither for the seller nor for compensation. 


 Because our General Assembly just passed a bill defining wholesaling real estate contracts as an activity that requires a broker's oversite, which means having a license.

Not true. They changed the definition to include 2+ assignments in a 12-month period. 

A double close is not an assignment. 

Post: Wholesalers required to have license in VA

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Just double close. Yes, it costs a little more... adjust your offers accordingly.

The law is a mirage. Very few brokers will want licensed wholesalers under their umbrella.


 Wouldn’t marketing the property ahead of closing be brokering without a license?


I don't see marketing in the VA definition. But regardless I don't see how marketing a property you have under contract to another investor would be brokering unless they continue to move the goalposts. When you do it as a principal it’s neither for the seller nor for compensation. 

Post: Wholesalers required to have license in VA

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Just double close. Yes, it costs a little more... adjust your offers accordingly.

The law is a mirage. Very few brokers will want licensed wholesalers under their umbrella.

Post: HELP! Why would a buyer put a house under contract to then only ghost?

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They will likely terminate before the inspection period expires. If they don’t, my guess is they already have a buyer on the line. 

The solution going forward is don’t agree to terms with wholesalers that have study periods unless the DD period is reasonable and/or you can still market until the $ goes hard. 

Post: Title Insurance Void if transfer to LLC?

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@Jay Lam To answer that question [(d)(i)(D)] you will need to identify the named Insured, the members of the LLC, and the consideration stated in the deed.

And even if the conditions for the LLC being covered by the definition of the "Insured" are not met, the policy would not be voided. I would get a second opinion from somebody other than the title insurance company rep providing you bad information.

Post: 3 Men Caught Stealing Houses Using A Quit Claim Deed Scam

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What @Peter Walther is saying in the "word salad" is that, when a fraudster forges and records a deed, that doesn't actually have the effect of transferring title... only the true owner can do that. A forged deed is generally void ab initio. 

But a forged deed does create an issue that needs to be resolved... either by having the instrument stricken from the land records via court order or whatever the local custom is.

Post: Using Subject To, to Get "Free" Properties - A Quick Guideline

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Can't some fool jump in here with a quick "Pace Morby is the best thing that ever happened to me" comment to lighten things up?


Tom Coming to Baltimore tomorrow you in town ?

Yes -- if I can help in any way or just want to meet up let me know.

Post: Using Subject To, to Get "Free" Properties - A Quick Guideline

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Can't some fool jump in here with a quick "Pace Morby is the best thing that ever happened to me" comment to lighten things up?