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All Forum Posts by: Tony Rodriguez

Tony Rodriguez has started 5 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Sheriff sale - need free title reports

Tony RodriguezPosted
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Originally posted by @Chris Mason:
Originally posted by @Tom Gimer:

Free on this coast is DIY.

All the information is public, you just need to know how and what to retrieve, review and analyze.

I can't imagine giving away that work that for free with the hope of insuring a high risk transaction.

 That's odd; title companies on the west coast give agents/lenders/etc free access, which includes looking up real estate nationwide if it's a nationwide title company. 

Top of page for the White House:

And I pulled Ben Bernanke's after reading on the news that his mortgage refinance application was denied due to being self employed for <2 years after he was no longer Chairperson of the Fed.

Often these aren't super accurate; not uncommon for the preliminary title report to uncover more stuff. Which of course why a title report without anyone willing to issue title insurance holds zero value.

 @Chris Mason Which title company/website is this?

Originally posted by @Andy Mirza:

@Tony Rodriguez Can you provide the difference in FC timelines between those borrowers who had attorneys versus those that did not? We passed on a non performing note last year in which the borrower's attorney was using every trick in the book to stall the FC. It was a shame because it was a nice property in a nice neighborhood. When it comes to the court system, it sometimes seems that he who has the most cash wins. Wealthier borrowers may decide its better to pay attorney fees to prolong a FC rather than pay a mortgage on an underwater property. Poorer borrowers don't have the money to fight FC so they don't contest them. Just an observation but I wonder how true it is across the board.

It might be best for us as a general practice to avoid buying any non performing notes where the borrower has an attorney. (Especially in Crook County! I love that term...)

@Andy Mirza According to my notes and the data they presented (from year 2016): FC non-lawyer court sale approval average time after auction day=28 days. FC non-lawyer court sale approval average time after auction day=62 days. These number don’t tell you the whole story though, this is just the time it takes for the sale to get approved, you might still have to kick the owners out or do cash for keys etc. as @Nicole R. pointed out. This is the first time I hear of a property that takes a year to take possession though.

Typically, owners hire lawyers for one of two reasons, one because the FC is legitimate defective, ie there was an actual mortgage fraud, etc. (this is very rare and is almost never the case) the second reason is because the owners wants to extend their stay (this is almost always the case). Here in Chicago there are some lawyers that charge on a monthly basis about 1/3 of the mortgage to owners with the promise that they will get to stay in their homes as long as they keep paying the lawyer fees.


I think there is a lot of opportunities in Cook county but homework is critical to be successful, last Tuesday I drove by a property that was going to go for sale the next day, when I arrived at the property I noticed there was already an investor talking to the owner. I talked to the investor the next day, I mentioned that I saw him at the property, he said that was part of his standard procedure, when the auction started a guy outbid us both almost instantly, lol.  

Hello @Nicole R.

Just came across your post

When you did your “due diligence” did you look at the court file prior to bidding? I took a seminar last month with a company that buys foreclosures in the Chicagoland area on behalf of investors, they have a list of about 20 items to do before the auction date, one of them is to check the court file and find out who has interest in the property, they recommend staying away from properties in which the owner has a lawyer (especially certain lawyers here in Chicago) litigating the foreclosure. They presented data showing the amount of time it takes to record deeds after an auction when an owner has a lawyer vs. when the owner does not, the difference is considerable.

Did you consider joining the owner to vacate the sale and get your money back instead of waiting a year to take possession?

Going forward what would you do different (if anything) to prevent this to happen again?


Regards

Originally posted by @Todd Dexheimer:

Small banks and credit unions will finance with out a W2 if you are making money with your flips and Realtor income. I quit my job in 2010 and was able to get around 50 loans with local banks. Call a few dozen and be sure to talk with the commercial mortgage lender. You will have better luck getting the loans in your LLC than if you try to get a 30 year Fannie/Freddie for a SF or small multi family.

The banks will look at you personally and want you to personally sign on the loan, but they will be nearly equally concerned with the property and will consider that income to you. 

 Thanks Todd, that's exactly what I'm doing, actually an opportunity just presented that might solve my issues, is a 3 flat in a decent area in Chicago, it needs some work and has only one tenant, the owner has passed and I might be able to pick it up for $260K cash, is in great condition and only needs cosmetic work. After I fix it and get new tenants I might be able to refinance it for $450-$500K, that would give me enough cash on hand to be constantly flipping, I want to be able to get a property and rehab it while also be able to pull the trigger on the next deal. 

Originally posted by @Tony Rodriguez:
Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

@Tony Rodriguez Isn't there an experience or apprenticeship requirement to get licensed??  Or does your experience count?  I have wired many houses on my own (with permits pulled and passed) but when I decided to make this a legit business I had to do it all correct and use licensed people.

RE license will save on the buy side and help get you in doors quicker. I do think it is a good idea if it will be your career. I flip properties, most everything is a cash deal. But, if you have the cash to purchase it it isn't too hard to find a bank that will finance the rehab. Just have to ask around, some may not want to bet on you yet but after you have more experience it won't be an issue. You should find a bank willing to take a first position, HML worse case.

 John, it depends on where you intend get your electrician license, in Chicago you either need an apprenticeship or two years of experience and a signature from a master electrician and off course you have to pass the exam. Some towns in the suburbs are more lenient and do not require a master electrician signature but the experience has to be in the electrician field, luckily I work designing lighting fixtures and I'm quite often at the job sites when electricians have issues/questions with our products so I will use that as experience, my co-worker did that to start his own business as an electrician last year. Once you have your electrician license then you can just register with the town you intend to do work with and they will take it regardless of where you got your license from. I will have to register as a contractor though but I intend to do that anyway to be able to pull permits, I intend to do some of the work myself and/or by hiring temporary workers, I have a guy who can remodel a bathroom in about 2 weeks at at a rate of $15/hour for a labor total of $1200, try to get this rate from a contractor.  Electrical work on other hand is expensive and an electrical contractor is needed to pull permits so I plan to do this on my own at least initially once I get my electrician license.

Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

@Tony Rodriguez Isn't there an experience or apprenticeship requirement to get licensed??  Or does your experience count?  I have wired many houses on my own (with permits pulled and passed) but when I decided to make this a legit business I had to do it all correct and use licensed people.

RE license will save on the buy side and help get you in doors quicker. I do think it is a good idea if it will be your career. I flip properties, most everything is a cash deal. But, if you have the cash to purchase it it isn't too hard to find a bank that will finance the rehab. Just have to ask around, some may not want to bet on you yet but after you have more experience it won't be an issue. You should find a bank willing to take a first position, HML worse case.

 John, it depends on where you intend get your electrician license, in Chicago you either need an apprenticeship or two years of experience and a signature from a master electrician and off course you have to pass the exam. Some towns in the suburbs are more lenient and do not require a master electrician signature but the experience has to be in the electrician field, luckily I work designing lighting fixtures and I'm quite often at the job sites when electricians have issues/questions with our products so I will use that as experience, my co-worker did that to start his own business as an electrician last year. Once you have your electrician license then you can just register with the town you intend to do work with and they will take it regardless of where you got your license from. I will have to register as a contractor though but I intend to do that anyway to be able to pull permits, I intend to do some of the work myself and/or by hiring temporary workers, I have a guy who can remodel a bathroom in about 2 weeks at at a rate of $15/hour for a labor total of $1200, try to get this rate from a contractor.  

Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

Find an experienced mortgage guy in your area and get your ducks in a row before quiting. With $350k in cash and your purchase metrics you should do fine buying and rehabbing properties but may require use of a HML. You will likely be stuck working on one project a time which isn't bad but you may lose out on deals if you spend all your cash. You money seems like quite a bit now but it will get eaten away quickly with living costs, holding costs, etc. I would consider using financing even if you don't need it to keep cash available for the next deal and to keep a nice safety net.

After 2 years of reglar income from this you will be able to finance this business.  Rental income largely depends on whether the bank considers you experienced.  Many banks require 2 years of rental to consider them but if you they consider you experienced they will allow rental income right away.  WF was giving me credit for rental income started 1 month prior on a m2m lease...  But I have history managing rentals.

Last - I am not sure about your area but here you don't need a license to sell your property on the MLS. Can pay a flat fee listing service... And an electrician's license takes time to achieve, you may reconsider and get a contractor's license.

Thanks john, 

That's exactly I'm doing, today I called a local bank and they said they have a loan for my needs, they even said that I would qualify for low rates and have fees of 2-3 points depending on the loan amount. Additionally I was considering targeting properties in $100K range, that way I could be rehabbing 1 and have enough cash to buy the next deal, the spread on $100K properties is not as big as though. 

I don't need a license to sell a property but I believe the licence is useful when looking at properties, though I'm planing on buying at the auctions. I'm finishing the book on the electrical code and plan to take the exam soon, I work with a lot of electricians and they guided me to get the license, in my last property I paid $9K to an electrician for work that took 3.5 days and he was the cheapest bid I received.  

Also I plan to stick to rehabs for now, I'm not looking for long term properties at this point but I think you are right, is easier to get a loan on rental properties than money to flip. 

Electromechanical engineer, with 15 years of experience. I've been in my current job for 10 year, I used to like my job but 2 years ago a new company took over and they love to micromanage employees.

I'm at the point where I don't care if I take a pay cut by switching to flip homes. Plus I really liked doing the rehab on my last property, and I'm convinced that I can make this work going forward. If worst comes to worst I can always go back to being an engineer at a different company. 

Originally posted by @Mark Sullivan:

What was the $95K/yr job?  I could use a raise.  :-)

Originally posted by @John D.:

@Tony Rodriguez if you are flipping, you should be using hard money, or private money.  Conventional cash-out refi isn't in the equation.

That's probably where I will be heading, but I will still be looking for other lending products, Hard money is expensive but I guess needed for flipping. 

Hello John, 

That's exactly my thoughts, If I had $500k then I wouldn't need a bank but unfortunately I'm not there yet. I think to be successful I would need to barrow cash otherwise I won't be able to do anything until my flip is sold, my goal is to work on my rehab while looking for deals. I just want to know if banks do lend without W2, I know in the 90's you could do stated income but I'm not sure nowadays. I'm also looking to establish an S-corp and pay myself so that I can show income, the drawback is that I would have to pay tax on the income which I've already earned.  


Originally posted by @John D.:

@Tony Rodriguez Assuming you are talking about doing flips, not buy and hold (since you mentioned you would be listing properties for sale) I am not sure if it is going to make sense to go through the time and expense of a cash-out refi.  Hopefully you will have sold the property a couple of months after you finish the rehab, and you will save quite a bit in closing costs by skipping the refi process, given you would likely only hold the refi mortgage for a couple months or so.

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