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All Forum Posts by: Frankie Woods

Frankie Woods has started 29 posts and replied 1243 times.

Post: Real Estate Investors: What made you finally decide to "leave the day job"?

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This question stims from another post, A Day in the Life of an R.E. Investor , an excellent thread about the day in the life of a R.E. investor.  @Wendell De Guzman made an excellent comment:

@Frankie Woods, personally, I wished I left my job a lot sooner but being an engineer by training, I was trained to be risk averse. So I stayed on until my job was interfering with my business. Had I left my job sooner, I would have made more money. For example, last week, we made $46,000. In one week! I know other investors who make more money than that every week. Half of Americans cannot even earn $46,000 in one year!

Wow!  Talk about a shot in the gut in reality.  Exactly the kind of words "youngins" like me need to hear. 

So now, I'm interested to hear from those who made the jump.  When did you feel you were ready to leave?  If you were to do it again, at what point (e.g., amount in savings, monthly passive income, number of deals, number of units, etc.) did it "feel right"? 

I currently have a 9-5 with a pretty great income.  It makes it a lot easier to get loans and learn from mistakes.  But...I'm bored and spend a lot of my time learning more about real estate (ok, honeslty most of that time is spent on BP).  Although I'm doing/finding deals, my pace is pretty darn slow.  I think I can do better, but I keep dragging my feet...

I would love to hear your stories!  Thanks in advance for those who take the time to participate!

Post: Experiences of a "Relatively" New R.E. Investor (military member)

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Thank you @Kelly Miller  !  I enjoyed writing the post and reflecting on past experiences.  It's a good way to learn and hopefully I help some others along the way.

Post: Experiences of a "Relatively" New R.E. Investor (military member)

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@Darrin Carey thanks for taking the time to read thru the story. I agree, 15% property management is probably too high.  They also have a high vacancy history.  Maybe it's time to find someone else...

I think I got a little lucky at Edwards, but I'm not complaining!

I will definitely check out Lifeonaire.  Always looking for good sources for networking!  

I will definitely give you a shout the next time I'm in Dayton. 

Post: Cashflow Doesn't Build Wealth?

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@Jay Hinrichs thanks for sharing your story!  Excellent example of understanding a trending market and taking advantage of it!  I hope to follow this model!

Post: Real Estate Investors: What does a day in your life look like?

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@Account Closed   ...  Laawl!

Post: New Investor from Richmond Hill Ontario!

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Welcome to BP @Ryan Dukelow ! You are way ahead of most folk when it comes to "figuring it out".  Real Estate is such a great way to obtain finiancial freedom, and there is no resource better, in my personal opinion, than the BP community.

Post: Experiences of a "Relatively" New R.E. Investor (military member)

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@Elizabeth Colegrove ,that's awesome! I also have 3 houses (purchased the 3rd when I moved to Scott AFB about 2 years ago), and one pure investment property that I purchased in July (4-plex).  I'm looking to get another one hopefully by year's end, and continue down that road for the foreseeable future. 

I'm also currently deployed.  I've been here for a little over a month and am using this as a way to save up for another downpayment.  Looks like us military folk thing alike! 

I agree, the military is a godsend when it comes to learning this business and building it for success.  BiggerPockets has been incredible, and I've been trying to get my friends in on that secret as well.  It's been very tough going, but I think some are finally starting to see the light!  Pay it forward right?!?

Post: Newbie in the Miami - Fort Lauderdale area

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Welcome to BP @Ryan K. !  Fort Lauderdale seems like an excellent market!

Post: Experiences of a "Relatively" New R.E. Investor (military member)

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#2) First purchase after a military move

Following my first experience in real estate, detailed in my first blog post Experiences of a "Relatively" New RE Investor, Part One, the naive Frankie at the time was feeling pretty good. Now, a single Captain in the Air Force with no kids, I felt confident that I was well on the path to financial Freedom. I had acquired my first property with a long-term plan to acquire one additional property every 3-4 years when I moved to a new location. By the time I reached retirement age (i.e., 42 for us military folk), I wouldn't have a worry in the world…

In my mind, I was only losing about $380/month, and I could easily cover that with my income. My "math" only took into account PITI, condo fees, and management fees at $850, $232, and $123 respectively.I did not realize that you also needed to account for vacancies, maintenance, and CAPEX on top of that to get a true indication of cash flow.Adding these to the mix, my actual cash flow was -$585/month.Yikes.

Upon my move, I figured I could save some money by paying off the second mortgage which had a remaining balance of about $11k.This dropped my actual loss down to ~500/month on a $23k investment.My property, originally worth 115k, for which I paid full price, was now worth ~$90k.Mind you, my stock portfolio had also dropped significantly.For my next military assignment, the Air Force moved me to Edwards AFB, CA in 2009 which is in the Mojave Desert about 1.5 hrs. Northeast of Los Angeles.

My investment career wasn't looking so hot.However, rattled as I was, I was an avid fan/reader of Warren Buffett (still am as a matter of fact).I was confident that times of panic were the best times to look for golden opportunities.Ok, I was fairly confident.If I would've been REALLY confident, I would have bought up everything I could get my hands on.Instead, I stayed the course and stood by my plan.I kept contributing to my IRA and 401k, and began looking for another property to purchase with the intent of living in it while stationed in the area and renting it out when I moved.

Now, looking back, I realize that I made another rookie mistake.When searching for the property, I did not educate myself and become an expert in my new market.Granted, it’s a little more difficult for military members to accomplish this as we only get about 8 – 10 days to find a place to live.However, I could have started the process from Ohio.

Anyways, for those that know the area, I found a foreclosure in a great neighborhood west of highway-14 in Lancaster, CA about 40 minutes for base.The previous owners had purchased the property at the peak of the market for ~$450k.It was now being listed at $195k.If I were in their shoes, I think I would have taken the hit too and walked.Well, probably not due to my security clearance, but I digress.

I offered $185k which was immediately accepted.I was surprised by how quickly I picked this up because I had made 3 other “low’ offers on other units that had all been bid up well above the original asking price.I say low because I was only under-bidding by about 5%.I thought 5% below asking was a good deal, but know I know you should look closer to 20-30% below market value.

Now, I did some things right on this property.It was a 4bed/2.5bath at 2550 sq. ft. purchased at about the trough of the downturn.During the 3 years I lived there, I had 4 roommates at various times, pulling in an extra $21k total (sound familiar to Brandon Turner's "house hacking" philosophy…great minds think alike???).I also used my VA loan, so I only had to pay closing costs of about $3.5k.Unfortunately, this area was in what's called a "Mela-roos tax" zone for roads/neighborhood upkeep which added an extra $350/month to my PITI.Therefore, my total payments were $1600/month.

When I moved in the summer of 2012, it looked like mortgage rates had sunken to about as low as they would go (I was wrong, they dropped another .75 basis points…but who can time the market).I decided that I would refinance to get a lower monthly payment.For $2k, I was able to reduce my monthly payments by $230.Add this to the fact that real estate prices were rising fast (my Ohio property was now worth about $95k and the one in California was at about $240K!).I was able to find a good tenet who was actually the best friend of my neighbor.This tenet and his wife were both doctors with one pre-teen child.They had bought there place at the height of the market and were just wrapping up a short sale.I was able to get them on a 2 year lease at $1600/month with a $1600 deposit and no property management.What a great opportunity (they continue to be absolutely fabulous to this day)! I was cash flowing $230/month (NOT!…gotta remember those other pesky expenses Frankie!). I was a pretty happy camper at this point.

So let’s look at the numbers:

Investing timeframe: 4.5 years

Total properties: 2 SFRs

Total equity: $62k

Total Investment: $44.5k (includes 3 years of negative cash flow from Ohio and roommates)

Total Cash Flow: -500/month (breaking even on the CA property when accounting for all expenses and still have the thorn in my side in OH)

CoCR: 139% over 3 years (~40% annually)

Not too shabby for a newbie…But I was still lacking the resources of the BP community!And my next purchase would also be made without it :/

Post: Experiences of a "Relatively" New R.E. Investor (military member)

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#1) Getting my feet wet...

I was fortunate enough to find BiggerPockets about a year ago, and it has opened my eyes tremendously in that short time.In fact, it’s a constant source of sadness that I didn’t have this resource ten years ago.  Nevertheless, after obsessively scouring information over the last year or so, I’ve finally decided to start the process of documenting my experiences as I journey down the path towards financial freedom.

If you are a fan of the BiggerPockets’ Podcasts, you know that many of the successful R.E. investors got their “push” from the book “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” by Robert Kiyosaki.I, too, was motivated by this inspiring book back in about 2003.  At the time, I was a freshly minted Second Lieutenant stationed at the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.  Though I was itching to start utilizing the lessons learned from the book recently finished, the market prices at the time were very prohibitive.  Combine that with the lure of taking advantage of the opportunity to enjoy the company of family, which happened to live about 20 minutes away, not accounting for traffic of course, from my office (i.e., living free…well, I gave them some money, but nothing near market rents).

I spent the next four years saving the extra income in the hopes of one day being able to purchase my first property. The idea at the time was simply to purchase a place after each PCS (i.e, permanent change of station, essentially a forced military move to a new duty station). I had the foresight to place those funds into both a Roth IRA and the government-sponsored 401k known as the Thrift Savings Plan. If you can recall, from 2003 – 2007, the period I lived in D.C., if you were "in the market," you could essentially do no wrong in both the stock market or real estate. Everyone was a genius. So, though I "missed" out on the gains in real estate, I was able to capture quite a bit in index funds (I dabbled in individual stocks as well, but that is a story for another site).

From there, I moved on to Dayton, Ohio to pursue and Master's degree on the military's dime. It would be an 18 month tour, and I would finally be able to purchase my first property! It's late 2007. The market is beginning to show signs of stress. Real Estate prices have fallen ~10%. I'm thinking, "wow, I'm one lucky guy. I am getting such a great deal on this new construction condo!" Ugh, a condo? Anyway, I purchased this property, a 2 bed, 2 bath, 1350 sqft condo for $115k. I used conventional financing with a 30 year fixed loan at 6.12% after paying points (Hey, historically this was a great rate…). It was structured as an 80-10-10, where the first loan is at 80% of the purchase price, the second loan is at 10% with PMI (private mortgage insurance), and it is followed with a 10% down payment. This brought my payments for PITI (Loan Principal, Interest, Taxes, & Insurance) to $765/month on the first loan, $85/month on the second loan. It also had condo fees at $160/month and homeowners association fees of $72/month.

So, to sum up this "deal", I was in for $12k (at the time, I didn't want to waste my VA loan, not knowing that you could take out multiple VA loans as long as you were below the threshold of about $415k), with payments totaling $1082/month. I was in a great location! As I'd read, "it's all about Location, Location, Location!" I had that down, so the rest (appreciation, rents, etc.) would all magically fall into line. Little did I know, rents for a similar property where going for about $750/month...

Being in the military and having to move for the second time, I was essentially forced to use a property management (PM) company. Now I will say, I've had a pretty good experience with them. They tend to keep my unit occupied and don’t charge an arm and a leg to do repairs. But, adding on a 15% PM fee on top of a bleeding rental is torturous.

Here are the numbers:

- Purchase Price: $115k (I broke rule number one, you make money when you buy. I paid market value in a declining market. I’m still shaking my head.)

- Down payment: 12k

- Rent: $825/month (I allow pets)

- PM fee: $123

- MX: $82/month (10%)

- Vacancies: $82/month (10%...It’s actually been closer to 7% the last 5 years)

- Reserves: $41/month (5%...I probably can drop this due to this property being a condo. The condo/association fees generally will cover this)

- PITI (Loan Princial, Interest, Taxes, Insurance): $850/Month

- Condo/Association Fees: $232 (in the last four years, these fees have increased to 264 or 14%)

- Cash Flow: -$585 / Return on investment: Let’s not talk about this. 

And so it follows, this was the first mistake that I made in the real estate game.  This property continues to be a thorn in my side.  I know many of you are probably thinking, “sell, sell, sell”, but I like Brandon Turner's approach: just do twice as better next time.  Unfortunately, I still hadn’t found BiggerPockets during my next purchase….to the bane of my existence.  I have managed to do some things recently, again thanks to BP, to make the number presented look a little bit better.  Nevertheless, this is a terrible investment.  I even broke most of the Rich Dad, Poor Dad rules.  Luckily, as I travel down this exciting journey, the story starts to improve.  It's a slow, but steady process.