All Forum Posts by: Logan M.
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Post: Buying 12 new MHP Communities in 2024

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Post: Vetting Felons, Drug Addicts, Sex Offenders and Poor Credit/No Credit

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It is inevitable that when you are in the MHP/Affordable Housing space you will have applicants who are Felons, Drug Addicts, Sex Offenders and have poor credit.
Here is how I handle each of them:
Felonies: It depends on the felony but we don't allow any felon that had the crime occur within the last 2+ years and I am very careful about this.
Drugs: I try to be compassionate but I have found that any recent drug offenses lead to a lot of bad behavior. I won't go into details but I have tried to work with many tenants with drug issues and have yet to not have it hit me with a huge financial hit.
Sex Offenders: Nope, I have a policy for No Sex Offenders. No exceptions.
Poor Credit/No Credit: This depends but we will do double the deposit or pre-paid rent etc.
I know every state is different but we find that if we make sure the tenants getting into our parks have a good history the park runs a lot better.
Post: Expanding a Manufactureed Home Comunity with Septic

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Quote from @Henry Clark:
Answer is probably no but I would ask about sewer ponds. One pond for decomposing solids to settle and a smaller attached one for clear water and micros.
We had 14 trailers in total of about 12,000 sqft. We were in Louisiana. Yours could be smaller due to faster evaporation.
Glad you’re moving forward.
Great advice, I will look into it.
Post: Buying 12 new MHP Communities in 2024

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Quote from @Jordan Moorhead:
@Logan M. love that dude! I'd like to buy 2 more this year with a minimum of 30 lots per park. I'm going to focus on cold calling, mailing owners and broker relationships.
I need to focus more on broker relationships
Post: Buying 12 new MHP Communities in 2024

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This year I have set a goal to acquire 12 new communities.
Currently, we have 8 communities but last year we acquired 4 new communities.
A lot of my time is shifting from day-to-day operations to acquisition of new parks.
The ways I am going to find these communities are:
1. Checking a few competing sources on a daily basis including the MLS.
2. Directly contacting the owners
3. Looks for development opportunities to build new communities
Any other suggestions on strategies that have worked for you?
Post: Expanding a Manufactureed Home Comunity with Septic

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Quote from @Henry Clark:
If you have to have drain fields that will take up a lot of ground. Sewer pond system will be cheaper and easier to install.
For the drain fields have you already had a soil permeability test done? Will they allow drain tiles?
Do any of your neighbors have drilled water wells? There will be a setback of your drain field versus their wells.
I walked the property yesterday with the company that will be doing our plans and gained a lot of useful insight. Next week he will be doing soil samples but he said he has done soil samples in other areas nearby.
You mentioned the tiles and I am not sure how they are different than the chamber system but that is what he recommends. We would need 5000 sqft per system plus the home so about 6000 sqft per unit.
Once we get the soil tests back we will do an updated site plan and will have a better idea of the density we will pursue.
Post: Mobile Home Park Investing Vs Development

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Quote from @Nathan Harden:
I am just starting to dip my toes into MHPs.
From your experience, do you find it easier if you have all mobiles in the park being tenant owned rather than being parked owned?
A lot is going to come down to the competency of those who will support the park like a Handyman and other trades.
We have parks with both, park owned and tenant owned.
Post: Mobile Home Park Investing Vs Development

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I will make this a quick post with bullet points.
Key takeaways from my experiences doing development projects:
1. If you are developing typical multifamily banks are more excited about them than a MHP.
2. Development creates opportunities to create a higher and best use and sell for a profit.
3. The development of actual buildings creates huge depreciation potential.
4. I would also argue that buildings are more liquid than a mhp in most scenarios.
Takeaways from MHPs
1. You can't beat the cash flow.
2. Mobile home park investing creates the ideal long-term hold for future development.
3. There is more low-hanging fruit in the value-add on mhps than building new developments in most cases, dollar for dollar.
4. I would argue the risk is significantly lower buying an existing mhp than building a new building.
I am curious to see what others think and how their experiences compare.
The attached image is a rendering of one of the eight apartments we are currently building to be done in May.

Post: Expanding a Manufactureed Home Comunity with Septic

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Quote from @Henry Clark:
1. Is your source of water city or a drilled well?
2. If drilled. What is its capacity and distance from the drain fields?
3. Are you allowed to do a two sewer pond system?
4. Can you do a pump out tank system? Check costs.
5. Do you have enough elevation change above ground or below? Will you need a grinder lift station?
6. How far is the nearest sewer connection?
1. Is your source of water city or a drilled well? City Water
2. If drilled. What is its capacity and distance from the drain fields? I need to have an engineer do the planning on this because it is regulated by the county and is multifamily so it creates some odd ordinances.
3. Are you allowed to do a two sewer pond system? I could check but I doubt we have the space.
4. Can you do a pump out tank system? Check costs. I will check on this
5. Do you have enough elevation change above ground or below? Will you need a grinder lift station? It is pretty flat with some grading needed but we should be fine.
6. How far is the nearest sewer connection? It would be another city over so probably 3 miles or more.
Post: Onsite Handyman in Mobile Home Parks

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Quote from @Logan M.:
Quote from @Roger D Jones:
I have all three versions throughout our parks- free rent, partial rent and a W2 employee. Each park's situation dictates the need. Our W2 maintanance manager is paid very well but is tasked with maintaining 14 POHs and overall care of the park. We have honest conversations about his compensation and how it fits into this park's financials.
Can you go into details on this? I would love to hear about the breakdown.
Well... we have three parks. 11 space long term RV park, a 28 space all TOH park and a 20 (soon to be 22) space mixed park with 7 TOH and 13 POH rentals. The 11 space RV park has a manager on site with free pad rental. The 28 space TOH park has a resident manager who gets $200 off his rent monthly. On the 20 space mixed park given we own 13 homes we have a W2 hourly maintenance manager who we have at 24 hours per week. He handles all plumbing, 90% of HVAC, most electrical and all structural repairs.
With the 13 rentals we get over double the cash flow over our TOH space rentals and we are committed to keeping our POH rentals in top condition. All maintenance requests are requested through our park website and are handled immediately. We compensate him very well with a great hourly wage, OT after 6 and weekends, paid vacations, 8 paid holidays and a year-end park performance-based bonus. Even with this labor expense these 13 sites way over perform our 7 TOH sites on cash flow.
Now I know many on here will think I am crazy to do this but here's the rub. The park is in a very rural near a couple small towns. If I need a plumbing, electrical or HVAC repair... I am week's out when and if they ever decide to return my call. That is not going to work for our tenants who are paying $1000 a month to rent from us. And more importantly I don't want any phone calls at 1130 at night over a broken water pipe.
The park is financially strong and performs well. My wife and I also own an accounting firm and it too does well. For both enterprises we pay our employees well and we share our success.
I agree with you and I think there are plenty of opportunities to create a win-win for everyone. Finding the right people is the most difficult part but when you find them you need to take care of them.