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All Forum Posts by: Anna Watkins

Anna Watkins has started 26 posts and replied 379 times.

You could contact my RE agent, Michelle Hollberg - [REMOVED]  She has a property management company, works with investors, and is also with Harry Norman realtors.  I don't have experience with her as a property manager (I manage my own few) but I believe she has properties all over town, including south.

Good luck finding the right manager.

Welcome, Nicholas!  Sounds like you are very well prepared for the next step, and becoming active in Bigger Pockets is part of that.  Do you plan to return to the Atlanta area?  If so, definitely stay active and get to know the Atlanta folks with a clue -- @Azeez K. is a good start!  Keep in touch.  

Another Atlanta BP member (though not active much these days) is @Paula Pant (grr, the linky thing's not working) -- she's an extreme house-hacker in Midtown, living in a Triplex with her boyfriend, sharing their unit with a roommate, and experimenting with AirBnB in addition to traditional leases.  Her blog, Afford Anything, has good info.  http://affordanything.com

@Jerry K. - Hmm, I never really thought of "foreigners" from Chicago choosing to move to Franklin County, TN!  But between Tims Ford on one end, Nissan in the middle and Sewanee on the other end, maybe I should investigate even more deeply.  I certainly saw some professionals at the tax auction. Thanks!

I went to my first ever tax lien auction on May 20, in Franklin County, Tennessee (my home county).  TN is a "hybrid" state -- if you win the auction, you get a first lien on the property, and if it's not redeemed withing a year (all the past due taxes are paid in full) you automatically get a deed to the property.  In 2015, the county was auctioning liens for overdue 2007 and 2008 county and city taxes, so all the available properties had at least 7 years of accumulated taxes.

I had so many questions before the auction.  Apparently, because this was auctioning taxes not paid in the first years prior to the financial crisis, there were more properties on the block than ever before in Franklin County - over 40.  It started off with the county attorney doing the first listing so it was slow. After that one (which no one wanted), a county sheriff, who's also a professional auctioneer, took over.  It got more hectic.

The properties were listed alphabetically by owner, so sadly for me, the one I really really really wanted was second on the list.  Before it started, I had no idea whether this property would be hotly contested or whether I'd be the only one interested.  Turns out, there were 3 other parties bidding against me.  I'd decided in advance my maximum bid (figuring the taxes owed, the value of the lot and the cost of scraping the existing house if it came to that).  I ended up bidding over my max bid, then dropping out to a very enthusiastic bidder I was kind of scared of.  We were the two left in the bidding, and he won.  Final bid was $5,500, and I figure the total taxes owed are around $5,000 including court fees and interest.

I'm kicking myself because, in hindsight, I see I didn't completely understand the process. As I understand it now, the winning bid pays the current taxes & interest due, and if the lien isn't redeemed by the owner in a year, any amount bid over the amount due rolls toward the future year taxes.  I thought my bid would be 2007-2008 taxes only, and the additional years would be the price of winning. What I think I understand now is that, for instance,, if the taxes due for the bid year are $500 and you win at $5000,  the extra $4500 is essentially pre-paid 2009-2013 taxes for when you get the deed. 

If the winning bid is over the total amount of accumulated taxes, interest and fees, you're all paid up and the rest is gone bye-bye.

The guy that beat me got the lot and the little old country farmhouse for the total of taxes due 2008-2013 -- his winning bid covered it all.  The point here is, because I thought my bid would only go toward 2007-2008 (and not subsequent years), I calculated my maximum bid way too low.

I'd been trying to contact the owners (out of state, inherited the house, in financial difficulty themselves) in vain since September 2014, so I am almost 100% sure that they will not redeem the tax lien, or even know it's been sold.  I was prepared to offer $15,000-$$20,000 to buy it outright.  If I'd understood that a $5,500 bid included ALL the back taxes, I could and would have gone much higher in the bidding.  

Theoretically, I could still have a chance at the property.  I could offer to buy the lien from the winner, making him a quick profit (but I suspect he wants the property more than a profit. He's already put a tarp over the leaking roof -- exactly what I planned to do, except I would have done it in brown instead of totally obvious blue).  

Or, I could swipe it out from under him. I have a year to continue to try contacting the owner for a purchase -- I could even get myself to Ohio and knock on their door and force the issue!  If I could do that, I might get the property for what I'd originally intended, plus the owners would get some badly needed money instead of a big fat NOTHING by losing it in the auction.  

I'm still trying to decide whether this is a dumb or smart move -- maybe the fates are trying to tell me I'm overextended right now and better deals might come along soon???

In probably a dumb move, I stayed after this property was auctioned and bid on another, a small lot next to a dentist's office and across from the railroad tracks in TinyTown, TN.  I bid, and won the lot, for maybe a bit over the total amount of the taxes due.  I'd researched it beforehand and driven past it the morning before the auction. It's tiny, but at least the burned down house on it has been scraped and it's an empty lot.  Taxes $69/year, so not too much of a burden.

Tips for auctions that I didn't know before -- 1) sit in the back, so you can see who's bidding against you. 2) try to get an understanding of how the payments are applied (I could have done this, but I had no idea what I didn't know, so I didn't know to find out -- ya' know??), 3) go to an auction in advance of one you want to bid in (I didn't have the chance, since Franklin County only does this once a year, and 4) pray the properties you want are at the end of the list so you have time to get your bearings before it really matters!!

So, I bid, I lost, I learned, I have a teeny lot in Cowan, TN.  Anybody want to build an office building next to Dr. Elkins the Dentist??

@Wayne Leebowitz -- The TrafficMaster gripstrip planking doesn't need any underlayment.  It's essential sheet vinyl that comes in pieces (if that makes any sense) and is installed floating over the subfloor.  You are supposed to anchor it around the walls/edges with double-sided tape, but other than that it's not attached to the floor at all.  It can go over practically anything that's flat.

Originally posted by @Mark Graziano:

 Have you used the type with the grip strip?  If so, what are your impressions?

 Yep, that's all I've used, and so far so good.  It's really easy to lay, though you do have to make sure you're squared up before laying the first row.  It can be tricky to peel the grippy bits apart to make any adjustments, and the planking can break while trying (it's only half-thickness at the strips).  I patched in with double-sided tape in a couple of places and it hasn't been a problem (knock wood).

Here's the rundown:

1) - Blue slate TrafficMaster in my home kitchen (approx. 150 sq ft) in February 2014.  Holding up well, doesn't show kitchen dirt, no vinyl smell, no apparent peeling or anything. I laid this my very own personal self, took about 14 hours (lots of fiddly cutting around moulding and odd corners).  I ordered online and it was delivered to the door!

2) Autumn Oak in rental kitchen - approx 110 sq ft..  Had the handyman lay this on top of plywood subfloor. No problems, he charged me $150.  We reused the same molding -- I painted the pieces, he reinstalled them.  This was August 2014.  No problems that I've heard of.  This is a standard in-store color (and $1.79/ sq.ft.) so I bought it at the Box.

3) Autumn Oak in rental family room (former carport) , around 250 sq ft- same handyman laid this in February 2015.  Since the subfloor is plain concrete, he laid the planking right on top of the old carpet (in hopes of providing a bit more insulation come winter).

4) Coventry Oak in my home bathroom (only 50 sq ft) sometime about 2 months ago - did this myself, and even did it in installments, leaving pieces out for 2-3 days until I had a window of time to replace the toilet (when you have one bathroom and two teens, you gotta be careful!). I covered the grip strips with the backing paper to keep them clean, and was able to fit in pieces with no trouble.  It looks great -- but the white-ish color is much harder to keep clean looking and shows scuff marks.  So far there's no problem with water or peeling -- being a high moisture environment I'm keeping an eye out for that as a possibility.  This was also a special order color -- delivery to the house was quick and simple.

I've only every gotten it from the Big Orange Box, the lowest price for the most common colors is $1.79 sq. ft (except once Oak was on special sale for 99¢!!).  I'm planning to go with it again for a bedroom where half the hardwood floor was replaced with plywood after a water incident. Boo.  But I've got no complaints with the Box's vinyl plank.

@Rick Baggenstoss - Decatur, GA IS the best place in Atlanta, and while I'm totally small potatoes, I'd be up for a cameo :-)   

 @Michael Rogers  -- I'm interested in learning about investing in Chattanooga (my family's home territory)

Post: Atlanta Meetup May 16, 2015 - RSVP Now!

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Oh, and FYI --  keywords Atlanta, Decatur, Kirkwood, meetup.  @Azeez K.