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All Forum Posts by: Becca F.

Becca F. has started 24 posts and replied 818 times.

Post: Any Feedback on TurnKey?

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@Jamie Stone

I did a local renovation which was expensive and took 5 months. I was on-site at least once a week and it was stressful. I recently purchased a turnkey SFH in Indiana from a flipper who overpriced it - I negotiated an aggressive offer and we met in the middle. I know the seller got the equity which I was okay with. I may consider doing a BRRRR out-of-state in the future but for me it was better to buy move in ready for now than be in analysis paralysis for another 6 months.

I've heard a few people say if you have the money (e.g high income earning job working long hours) but not the time, turnkey might be better. If you have more time but not as much money, BRRRR might be better.

I did talk to a turnkey company that has properties in Ohio and Michigan but I went with Indiana and  a realtor that works with mostly investors. I also used to live in the Indianapolis metro area so I know the area vs. not knowing Ohio or Michigan. 

Post: Is it worth is to lower rent to have less tenants when house hacking?

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Quote from @Ned J.:

For me, rent is NOT negotiable. I set it at what I see the value is relative to the market... I dont set it relative to the tenant.

Starting on day one of "well what do you think about.....?" sets the stage of EVERYTHING being on the table for "negotiation".....

If they are " I cant afford $125 a month more", what do you think will happen when they get a $800 car repair bill.... a $1200 medical expense? or any other unexpected bill that comes up?


 I made this mistake with a self-managed rental to a family member (Mistake #2 don't rent to family members and friends even if they pass income requirements, background check and credit score). Family member paid rent late 2 months in a row - "I just got paid", "I had to pay for a medical bill", "Can you cut me a deal on..." She's finally paying rent on time. When this lease expires, I will never rent out to family again and have a property management company deal with future rental applicants and tenants. 

Post: Let's talk About Rent Control....

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Quote from @Scott Trench:

I completely agree with @Russell Brazil's sentiments. Rent control helps existing tenants in select circumstances in a near-term view and select individuals in the long-run (imagine a story about someone who lived in the same place for 27 years in rent controlled San Francisco, and ended up WAY under market). 

While those rare exceptions make headlines and create fear for landlords and investor returns, the reality is that rent control inhibits supply in the medium-long term. The end result is that you get a place like Manhattan or San Francisco, where landlords have 100+ highly qualified applicants for every vacancy, and cottage industries spring up to help renters find apartments. The reality is that most of these tenants will not stay for a decade+ and reap the benefits of rent control (and rent control does not apply to NEW tenants). 

Thus, you destroy opportunity for untold thousands of the very people you want to protect, and ultimately put even more power in the landlord's hands, on average, with rent control. 

The second insidious problem with rent control is that it disincentivizes investment. Take a city like SFO, or nearby Oakland, CA, for example. As a developer/value-add multifamily investor, why on earth would I choose to reposition an asset there? There are plenty of outdated, dilapidated, and (on paper) excellent opportunities to reposition and improve real estate in those cities. But, why bother? One can only terminate a lease for Just Cause, and can only raise rents 3%, unless you get a special exemption from the government. If you can't move out the tenants to reposition the asset... you won't reposition the asset. "Protection" for the tenants in the near term. Slow devastation of a great city in the long-term.

The result is a few years of lower increases for a portion of the population, and then decades of a slow decay/decline of a once great city. 

If cities really wanted to make housing more affordable, they'd override the very stubborn owner-occupants of Single-family homes, and change the reality that 75% of land in most American cities is zoned for single-family exclusively. And, remove as many barriers as possible to investment constantly repositioning real estate to it's highest and best use whenever and wherever possible. 

Boston is worse than average in this regard. 80% of the land in and surrounding Boston's metro is zoned exclusively for single family. It's one thing to have a worldview that supports affordable housing and claim to support policies that promote this.

It's quite another to allow the property across the street from YOUR house be turned into an apartment complex. 

The bad news for America is that the NIMBYism and hypocrisy of a city like Boston imposing rent rent controls, instead of addressing the heart of the problem through zoning (where it will jab at the lifestyles of the wealthy homeowners of it's population) is never going away. 

The good news for landlords and real estate investors is that the NIMBYism and hypocrisy of these cities will ensure limited competition and, long-term, a growing scarcity of housing relative to the population. 

The "hidden opportunity" is a guarantee, over the long-term, of lower prices to buy in today, effectively higher rents (some below market tenants will be offset by higher rents for new tenants due to lack of supply/competition), and low cap rates, because vacancy/occupancy will be so predictable. 

Rent control is a gift, not a curse, for landlords in the medium-term to long-term, at the expense of all the future renters who move to that city or vacate for any reason

Who made more these last 15 years? The multifamily owner in San Francisco or Manhattan? Or the multifamily owner in Atlanta, GA? Excluding the last 1-3 years, it's SFO all day.

 I'm a co-owner of a rent controlled multi-unit building in San Francisco. About half of tenants are paying market rate rent and the other half have been there for several to many years. I looked on the Rent Board increases and from 2007 to the present, the rent increases range from 0.1% to 2.3% (varying each year) but this was recently changed to 3.6% as of March 1, 2023. For example someone paying $1300 rent (well below market rent) could see their rent increase $46.80 per month with 3.6%. That's a pretty good deal to me if I were a tenant. The market rate rents also with the neighborhood and condition of the units. From a quick search market rate rent is $2300 (in good clean condition but not upgraded) to $3600 for 1 bedroom (updated, granite countertops, new cabinets, flooring) - I maybe off by a hundred or so dollars but that's the ballpark range. 

I buy SFHs to avoid the rent control issue and my last purchase was in the Midwest. I love the Bay Area appreciation but I don't intend to buy anymore in California. I'm wondering if rent control will start spreading to other parts of the country with multi-units like the Midwest or the South. 

Post: Is this the best or worst time to get into real estate?

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Quote from @Mike Dymski:
Quote from @Becca F.:
Quote from @Mike Dymski:

It would be helpful if there were more discussions on real acquisitions (purchased with our own money) than discussions on the market.  The numbers will speak for themselves on whether or not it's a good time to buy.

Here are my numbers Indianapolis SFH: purchase price $130,000 (bought from a flipper who recently renovated it and negotiated an aggressive offer, wrote 2 offers with one cash, one financed and we met in the middle)

20% down, 30 year conventional with 6.99% fixed rate

Mortgage payment: $859 (PITI)

Projected rent: $1050 to $1100 (property management company will list it at $1100 this week)

This is less than the 1% rule. I couldn't find anything meeting 1% so that's around 0.75% to 0.85%. The Rent to Price Ratio is much worse in the San Francisco Bay Area around 0.54% so wasn't going to buy anymore in California at these prices. I didn't want to do a BRRRR out of state, may consider that for my next purchase now that I have a team in Indianapolis (realtor, contractor, PM company, roofing company).

Water heater and HVAC are about 2 years old, all minor items in inspection report were fixed. Most everything else is brand new, appliances, cabinets, granite countertops, sink, faucet fixtures, flooring, new paint. The windows will eventually need to be replaced in the future.I don't anticipate major capital expenses or repairs in next year or two unless tenant misuses things (e.g. paper towels down the toilet) or breaks things. Area is Class C could be turning to a B. Neighborhood is growing with coffee shops, restaurants etc. 

My other properties are Class A - I debated going this route of buying in a better neighborhood or a "hot market" and being in a break even (meaning rent just covers PITI monthly payment) or negative cash flow with high mortgage payment. I'm thinking Nashville, Tennessee or Florida Panhandle (the other two areas I was considering since lots of people are moving to Florida and the appreciation over the last 10 years has been more than Indiana. My other SFH in a nice Indianapolis suburb has appreciated 70% in 10 years). This is sort of speculating that rents will increase and eventually be in positive cash flow and why investors are paying cash in the Bay Area - hoping for that historic California appreciation. Is it ever a good to start being in a negative cash flow in an appreciation market?

I thought this was a good deal. The other option was not buy anything and pay down current mortgages and put my money into a CD earning 3.8% or 4% or buy index funds and some Amazon stock. The deal is done so I can't give the house back lol....Thoughts? 

Perfect, thanks for sharing.  $1,100 rent x 93% occupancy = $1,023 net effective rent - $690 P&I = $333 in margin to cover expenses and cap ex reserves (breakeven cash flow is at a 33% expense ratio...$333/$1,023).  And then there is principal paydown and potential appreciation.  

Is that good? I'm getting used to all this terminology: cash-on-cash return, ROI, NOI, return on equity, etc. I'm a fairly new investor with lots of equity in 2 out of the 4 properties so if it's explained in layperson's terms or like I'm a 5th grader lol, that would be great

Post: Hoarder tenant in San Francisco

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@Jared JLemail

I co-own a multi-unit in S.F. and a property management team takes care of everything. I self manage a SFH and will probably turn that over to a PM in the near future. Since your family member is 93 years old, does she want to deal with this and would she consider hiring a PM? I know it would cost money but would prevent problems like this tenant.

I would echo what Nathan is saying to hire an attorney. They've clearly violated lease terms with the garage space and having 4 occupants in a space designed for 2 people. Did they respond or correct the number of occupants issue even though they didn't clean out their belongings and the non-operating vehicle in the garage? 

From looking at the lease it says the rent is $1550, unless I'm misreading the number. This is pretty low.  The rent board has a chart each year with the amount of rent increase on rent controlled unit since 2007 ranges from 0.1% to a high of 2.6% but effective March 1, 2023, you can raise the rent 3.6%. That would be a $55 increase on $1550. 

As far as market rate rent, if they've been there since 2007, the unit probably hasn't been renovated (updated kitchen and bathrooms, flooring) you probably wouldn't get full market rate if you're able to get those tenants out. From a quick search of some S.F. 1 bedroom apartments, I see the rent range from $2500 for a clean apartment in good condition with carpet but not upgraded (around 600 sq ft.) to over $3600 for renovated with all the amenities. updated cabinets and countertops, stainless steel appliances, LVP flooring, but it depends on the area. I would consult a PM company and have them advise your relative of what rent they could charge if these tenants hopefully leave since they would have a better pulse on rental comps of properties in similar condition. Good luck!

Post: Kris Krohn partnership

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Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Becca F.:

@Clinton Bolton

I'm a beginning investor (3 properties) and reached that analysis paralysis stage of where should I buy and what (turnkey or a property that needs work). I attended one of Kris' free webinars and even got on a call with one of his reps. It's exactly how you described. The course/mentorship programs range from $18,000 to $35,000. They push heavily that buying with properties through them get you a 25% Return On Investment and on some of their properties they can get 34% ROI and that most people get 9 to 12% ROI investing on their own. The guy said to hold onto a rental for 3 to 5 years then if the ROI decreases they sell it and find a new market. This is when you split the profits 50/50 with Kris. That did not sit well with me at all, I'm putting 100% of my money into the purchase and I thought with rentals you hold onto a property longer than 3 to 5 years.

And I would also get access to their team of financial experts on how to build additional income streams such as franchising. The rep also pushed that anyone in the program would be invited to Kris' personal residence in Utah and talk to him in person in a real estate meet up. Very gimmicky. I told him $18,000 is a lot of money then he brings up the $10,000 mentorship program where I could buy one property with them. After listening to him talk for close to 45 minutes, I finally said that if I have an extra $18,000 to $35,000 wouldn't I just invest that in my own property and get all of the rental income and if I sold the property 100% of the proceeds, not 50% of it. 

As the others have commented, I would look into a U.S. real estate syndication. Good luck.


 haha i would run away from anyone self-proclaiming as "financial expert" with the expectation to "meet the guru / mentor/coach / master of all business" in his/her personal residence lol 

I have not google him yet but I bet he is taking picture in front of luxury house and driving sports car ? hahaha with people cheering over him during presentation :) a perfect Tindler-swindler-movie.

 You're correct on that. He's in front of his nice house in Utah and some expensive vehicle. The rep kept saying you get to meet him in person, like I'm supposed to be impressed by that haha.

I'm noticing that there are a lot of real estate gurus on social media now. I don't have Netflix so that's my entertainment lol...they're very charismatic and put out flashy content. I've watched some of the YouTube videos and listened to their podcasts - some of the free advice is helpful but I wouldn't pay for their courses or "mentorship" program. On the low end the courses are $500 to $1000. On the high end it's $5000 to $10,000 or more (Kris Krohn on that high end) and they will "walk you through every step to buying a property and be successful like me" while flashing around Ferraris and Rolex watches. 

I cringe when I hear people are shelling out $10,000 or more to get started out in RE investing with these gurus and they just quit their W2 job (yikes!) - they would have been better off going with a knowledgeable real estate agent who works with investors and using that $10,000 or more for a down payment on a property. I'd like to take a survey of these people who paid for these programs and see where they're at 2, 3, 4, or 5+ years down the line - did they make enough to quit their W2 jobs? Was that program really worth it?

Post: Is this the best or worst time to get into real estate?

Becca F.Posted
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Quote from @Mike Dymski:

It would be helpful if there were more discussions on real acquisitions (purchased with our own money) than discussions on the market.  The numbers will speak for themselves on whether or not it's a good time to buy.

Here are my numbers Indianapolis SFH: purchase price $130,000 (bought from a flipper who recently renovated it and negotiated an aggressive offer, wrote 2 offers with one cash, one financed and we met in the middle)

20% down, 30 year conventional with 6.99% fixed rate

Mortgage payment: $859 (PITI)

Projected rent: $1050 to $1100 (property management company will list it at $1100 this week)

This is less than the 1% rule. I couldn't find anything meeting 1% so that's around 0.75% to 0.85%. The Rent to Price Ratio is much worse in the San Francisco Bay Area around 0.54% so wasn't going to buy anymore in California at these prices. I didn't want to do a BRRRR out of state, may consider that for my next purchase now that I have a team in Indianapolis (realtor, contractor, PM company, roofing company).

Water heater and HVAC are about 2 years old, all minor items in inspection report were fixed. Most everything else is brand new, appliances, cabinets, granite countertops, sink, faucet fixtures, flooring, new paint. The windows will eventually need to be replaced in the future.I don't anticipate major capital expenses or repairs in next year or two unless tenant misuses things (e.g. paper towels down the toilet) or breaks things. Area is Class C could be turning to a B. Neighborhood is growing with coffee shops, restaurants etc. 

My other properties are Class A - I debated going this route of buying in a better neighborhood or a "hot market" and being in a break even (meaning rent just covers PITI monthly payment) or negative cash flow with high mortgage payment. I'm thinking Nashville, Tennessee or Florida Panhandle (the other two areas I was considering since lots of people are moving to Florida and the appreciation over the last 10 years has been more than Indiana. My other SFH in a nice Indianapolis suburb has appreciated 70% in 10 years). This is sort of speculating that rents will increase and eventually be in positive cash flow and why investors are paying cash in the Bay Area - hoping for that historic California appreciation. Is it ever a good to start being in a negative cash flow in an appreciation market?

I thought this was a good deal. The other option was not buy anything and pay down current mortgages and put my money into a CD earning 3.8% or 4% or buy index funds and some Amazon stock. The deal is done so I can't give the house back lol....Thoughts? 

Post: Is this the best or worst time to get into real estate?

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@Bruce Woodruff @V.G Jason

I was laughing so hard at your comments! :-) I have 4 properties and one of them doesn't have a mortgage. I've been very cautious about scaling and pulled equity out of my California rental to buy the recent SFH in Indiana. The way my non-investor friends talked to me, you would have thought I bought 100 properties. They pay much higher federal taxes from their W2 income or stock dividends than I do because my rentals bring my taxable income way down. There is no way to save your way to wealth like I was taught (pay off mortgages, save money in the bank, buy things on sale, use coupons) and I don't want to work at my W2 job until I'm 65 or 70. Two of my investor friends quit/retired early from the full time jobs before the age of 40 so they're my mentors.

Post: FlipSystem by Antoine Martel

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Quote from @Max S.:

Jumping in here, I have gone through the calls for this system as I am very interested in the Flipsystem.  After reading the above, here are my thoughts:

The flip system costs $15K one time to get in (at time of this post), and a couple hundred a month to use the proprietary CRM for managing deals.

The reason I am interested in this is it is an all in one package.  They provide vetted deal flow, multiple vetted financing providers hard money etc, multiple vetted contractors and agents, Vetted PMs and more in the target market.  He came from the turnkey space in those markets so he's offering those resources he has already been using to sell the turnkey homes.

Yes, as a few have mentioned, it is very possible to get these resources on your own but the goal here is to shortcut that.. and if you have the $ to do so you can save a lot of time...  And for those with full time W2s/families etc, that time is valuable.

Of course there is some kick back in all these but why is that an issue?  They put in the time to get the resources so you don't have to!

They also have one on one calls available for free with the mentors when you need to help with any questions and a weekly all group call and a discord for members to answer questions from experience.  Creates a good community mindset IMO. 

As for the options, there are a few exit strategies, flip and sell, flip and sell turnkey, BRRRR

If I do end up joining, I will reply back with my experience!

I also got on a call with them in January and that’s exactly what they told me $15,000. I decided not to join and if I decide to do a flip I’ll talk to my Indiana realtor and her team of contractors and vendors. I know that market much better than the markets Antoine mentioned (Ohio, Michigan). I figured the $15,000 I would have spent on Flip System I would use that money to help renovate an Indiana SFH. Right now I’m buy and hold long term rentals, would consider a flip but need to do lots of research. 

Post: Is this the best or worst time to get into real estate?

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Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Miles Atkins:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

This is the best (but hardest) time for a newbie to get into RE. This market is scaring away all of the lookie loos who have been buying up anything they could. Now they have to be careful......


 Bit new to the market aspect of things. Is this the hardest time to get into real estate because the prices are high?


Prices are (generally) lower around many parts of the country. You can find many 'deals' if you look. The problem for new buyers is that (they think) interest rates are high. They actually are still historically low, quite low, in fact.

I closed on an out of state SFH about 4 weeks ago, to the horror of my family and non-investor friends. I bought the house from a flipper who overpriced it. I got a decent rate, 6.99% conventional 30 year fixed with low origination fee and points. My financial advisor says that I should not buy anymore properties. Their suggestion is go get a part time job Uber, DoorDash and I’d cash flow the same but the 2nd job has no tax benefits and it doesn’t appreciate in value and you have to continually work hours each day to earn income.