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All Forum Posts by: Don Konipol

Don Konipol has started 201 posts and replied 5160 times.

Post: What is the Best Way to Grow as a Private Lender

Don Konipol
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Quote from @Brian Burke:

@Chris Seveney when I started my lending company with two partners our aim was to go from $0 to $2.5M per month.  We accomplished that within a few months, and five years later we were doing well over $100 million per month before we sold the company.

To get there, we hired top originators from our competitors.  We not only offered them a better comp package, but we offered them the opportunity to work for people who knew real estate investing as investors, not just as lenders.  That makes a real difference.

Initially we had one originator, one part-time processor, and a part-time admin assistant.  Within a year we had 3 or 4 originators, 2 or 3 processors, and a full-time admin assistant.  After year 1 we added more originators, more processors, an appraisal review analyst, a VP of capital markets.  By year 5 we had around 55 people.

We did hire a marketing person but frankly marketing wasn't our strong suit.  Our website was just OK, our email campaigns were hit and miss, our conference presence was fairly minimal.  Nearly all of our business came from the relationships that our originators had built over the years.  This doesn't come cheap--these folks were making high six to seven figures depending on volume.

We focused on lending to professional real estate investors--so our customers were frequent repeat borrowers.  Build and nurture those relationships.  Just like any aspect of real estate investing, non-consumer lending at a large scale is a relationship business.  If you don't have the relationships, hire someone who does.

This is why Brian Burke can go “large corporate” while I have to stay “small private”; he has the ability to MANAGE PEOPLE that I do not.  So, that makes a BIG difference in How you scale and what your personal “upper limits” are.  Well done, Brian! 

Post: What Does it Take to Achieve the Dream of Full Time Real Estate Investor?

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What Does it Take to Achieve the Dream of Full Time Real Estate Investor?

After 45 + years as a real estate investor, broker, lender, fund manager and syndicator, I’ve become aware that the “dream” of many investors and investor “hopefuls” is to be able to generate enough cash flow to live off their real estate holdings and accumulate enough wealth to make “work” optional. While this is a great and highly motivating goal, most people are either clueless or incorrect in their belief as to what is required to obtain this “lifestyle”.

Understanding of the “how to” get there is further obscured by the misleading, and often patently false “pathways” sold by real estate educational MARKETING companies as workshops, upsold to association memberships, upsold to mentorships. These marketers would have the novice investor believe that the narrow focused “education” they provide combined with the “holy grail” formula (wholesaling, subject to, flipping, lease option, discounted note purchase, etc.) is most, if not all, anyone needs to become “independent” and successful, usually by month 12. My best guess is their failure rate is more than 98%.

The truth is not as “convenient”. What is required to obtain real estate investing independence is the following

1 - TRUE education in real estate (1) principles, (2) law, (3) finance. Without a firm base and working familiarity with these three areas the investor will not have the knowledge to analyze, negotiate and close advantageous real estate transactions.

2- Experience - the first few deals are likely to be smaller, harder, with more “surprises” and not as profitable as the investor imagined. As the investor gains experience, they are not only able to more successfully foresee the “bumps” along the way, able to handle recessions, temporary negative cash flow, unforeseen capital expenditures without panicking, but will also recognize the opportunities necessary to turn a loss into a break even. A break even into a profit, and a profit into a windfall.

3- Capital - I used to state this as access to capital, back when the rules were loser, the regulations less onerous, and information less readily available. In those days it was possible to locate and tie up a “killer” deal, and close the transaction with absolutely zero of the investors own money. For those interested, a combination of mortgages with no “due on sale” clause, mortgage companies loose due diligence, and title insurers willingness to “turn a blind eye” to practices that wouldn’t pass scrutiny now, resulted in tactics like the “second mortgage crank” which not only allowed investors to purchase properties with no money out of pocket but allowed investors to actually walk away from closing with “cash in their pocket”. My experience in the last 15 years is that except in the most extreme circumstances, an investor is going to need some of their own capital to make a deal fly.

So, how much time does it take to obtain the knowledge, experience and capital to begin makimg a serious movement toward this “dream”. Well, of course it depends on the individual circumstances, the amount of time comitted and the capital available. In my case I began a “serious” real estate education and experience in 1979 ; by mid 1981 I was able to successfully conclude what for me, at the time, was my first “major” purchase. It was the purchase that jump started my real estate investing career by providing a high consistent cash flow, and a large capital gain 4 years later. But without the experience, knowledge and capital (actually CREDIT CAPACITY) I accumulated the prior 2 + years, this transaction would not have been possible.

Post: What is the Best Way to Grow as a Private Lender

Don Konipol
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

For those experienced in private lending: 

This question was posed to me in my membership group from an investor:

What strategies have been most effective for scaling your loan volume to $5M+ per month? I'm particularly interested in what tactics people have implemented for sourcing quality deals (not the I need 100% financing bs)

Would you:

1. Hire someone? (if so, salary or commission or both)

2. Expand Broker network?

3. Social Media / Paid ads?

Also would you focus on a specific target market you are familiar with and know the comps like the back of your hand and have boots on the ground ?

Looking forward to your insights

There are probably many ways to go from $12 million annually to $60 million annually.  To choose the correct path for any particular business a number of questions need be answered first

1. How much risk are you willing to take?
2. How much capital are you able and willing to invest?
3. What is the minimum amount of profitability acceptable at a $60 million loan volume
4. Are you willing to change your current lending criteria?
5. How limited is your knowledge base?
6. How much time are you willing to devote to an expansion program
7. How much larger of an organization do you want to run
8. How much “control” are you willing to give up? 

I can tell you what we actually did.  My parameters were that I did not want to add more than 2-3 employees, I did not want to give up control over the u;to are yes - no investment decision, and I didn’t want my position to become a full time job.  We were successful by implementing a 3 part program

1. Greatly increased lending capital by transitioning from a ‘blind pool” fund to a series LLC / syndication model where investors know the property lending deal before committing to any loan and can “pick and choose” whichever loans they do or do not want to participate in.  Over 8 years this increased our capital base from $8 million to $50 million + 

2. Incensed deal flow by developing a large list of contacts of commercial mortgage brokers using LinkedIn.  I have 20,000 + commercial mortgage broker contacts on LinkedIn 18,000 of which have agreed to accept a monthly newsletter we email to them.

3. We hired a internet marketing person whose business consists exclusively of real estate clients who redesigned our website, initiated a program of SEO and social media marketing aimed both at deal flow (real estate borrowers and mortgage brokers) and capital (passive investors).

4. We lease a platform for online access and efficiency with both a lender and investor portal. This reduced time spent on mundane tasks - answering investor questions, sending out loan information, handling loan inquiries etc about 80%. 

5. We rent an environmental screen database that provides us with a 24 hour turnaround environmental screen and engineer evaluation of the report. 

6. Hired part time admin assistant and 1/4 time services of book keeping professional.

Post: Post Closing Audit

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Quote from @Account Closed:

Hello,

Did anyone received post closing audit from mortgage company. I have got a audit on my loan something like this. "It seems the home you recently moved out of, was listed for rent on Zillow. This raises a question because we had a lease agreement on file showing a rental amount of $2,000 per month."

Does anyone here faced similar issue ?

Did you lie to the mortgage co and produce a “bogus” lease in order to obtain financing?  Or is it something else? 

Post: "Church" Purchase Creative Financing

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Quote from @Allison Littman:

I am currently trying to close on a church in Nashville (residential R6-A zoning) and convert it into my primary residence. Two separate property appraisers (at the direction of the lender) were sent out to appraise, and neither was willing to appraise it as a "residence", and thus financing fell through (conventional primary loan). At this time, I am having to pay all cash in order to close.

Purchase price is approximately $600k. Since I'm taking such a cash hit, I asked the sellers agent if they would be able to designate some portion of the sale price ($200k?) as a "donation" (translating to the benefit of taking a deduction for 2025). They are amenable. My agent is saying that we are unable to split the contract that way (or reduce the purchase price), so I'm trying to figure out options. My tax professional is stating that I would need an appraisal to show the lot/structure are valued at $400k if I try to claim $200k as a donation.

Looking for any creative input on how something like this could be structured.

Taking part of the purchase price of real estate as a charitable donation and using said deduction to lower your taxes is tantamount to sending a cover letter to the IRS with your return requesting an audit. 

Post: Hard Money terms for partnership

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Quote from @Keilon Morton:

I am looking to secure my first tax sale and need another investor to go in on the deal. What are some terms that would appeal to an investor? I've never had to use hard money before, so I am not sure what type of conditions are reasonable. I am offering 15% interest on the initial investment plus 40% ROI after a six-month grace period. What penalties are normal for this type of partnership?

Because of the nature of a tax lien, it would be difficult to obtain financing from a commercial lender secured by the tax lien itself.  Best bet would be a 
“partnership” with a monied individual looking for a high risk/high return passive investment with you providing the “active” part. 

Post: Tips for negotiating your real estate deal

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Quote from @Collin Hays:

I visit fairly often with investors looking at a certain vacation rental property to make an offer on.  I am not a realtor, so I cannot give advice as though I am one, but there are some guidelines that I have used personally over the years, with great success. Maybe these will help you, too!

You’ve found the property you like, and the numbers seem to work, but it’s more than you can afford or want to pay. Here is the Collin Hays method of buying the property at what you want to pay:

  1. Don’t ask the seller what their best offer is. They’ve already priced the property. This puts both you and them in an uncomfortable situation, as you are inferring that they didn’t already price it fairly.
  2. Don’t make a list of the flaws of the property and use that to try to talk the seller down. They know they ins and outs of their property, and you bad-mouthing the property isn’t going to going to endear you to the seller. If you want the seller to accept a lower offer, you can’t offend them.  
  3. Consider the possibility that the property is already priced quite fairly. I have given asking price several times with no quibble, particularly if I really liked the property and the numbers worked well.  
  4. If you really like the place but you feel that it is priced too high for your budget, instead of saying “it’s priced too high” and insulting the seller, simply say “I absolutely love your place; it is exactly what I want, and I’d really like to buy it. It’s just more than I can afford, and I don’t want to offend you with a low offer.” If the seller says, “Oh no, feel free to give us an offer”, then there is your invitation.  
  5. Find out what the seller has invested in the property if you can. In many states, this is public information. You can find the most recent sales price for the property on the local tax records website or by doing a quick search on Zillow. If you are trying to buy a $ 1 million home, and they bought it 20 years ago for $250,000, it’s likely they have a whole lot more wiggle room – and less price sensitivity – than someone who paid $1.2 million for it last year. Of course, what they paid isn’t going to take into account the money they have spent on renovations or remodeling, which can be substantial.  
  6. Finally, even with a substantial discount, the house may not be worth it. Do your due diligence and make sure the numbers work for you. It may be that it works quite well at the asking price.  It may be that the price needs to be substantially less for the numbers to work.  You do not owe the seller any explanation on this.  They already made their investment using their own reasoning; now it's your turn.


Happy Hunting!

Collin, your “tips” are quite good, though each and every situation is somewhat different…..
For years I negotiated and negotiated and negotiated, successfully on some, unsuccessfully are many more.  As investors (buying a home to live in or to house a business we own is DIFFERENT), 90% of sellers will NOT (at least at the present time) accept an offer that makes sense for the investor.  

I no longer “negotiate”.  Whether it’s an offer to purchase a property, to provide equity capital, or to provide financing, I merely state the price/terms I’m willing to pay. I let the seller/borrower/co investor know that this is my offer and it’s what I’m willing to do.  If the opposing part comes back with a 
different” number(s) or terms, I politely reject it and reiterate my initial and only offer.  I may explain that while I’d like to buy/finance/invest in his property, I need to earn a certain return on my invested capital for the given amount of risk, and if not able to earn the return on the subject deal than I will on the next deal.  If the seller counters that I’m being unrealistic, I politely tell him I’ve purchased, financed or invested in over 650 properties.  

The beauty of this is that intermediaries who work with me know that I make “fair” offers based on VERIFIABLE facts, that I follow through with completed deals unless important information was with held or information provided was false, and that there’s absolutely no value in presenting deals to me where the seller/borrower/investor is unrealistic, naive, or otherwise wanting to “test” the market.  

Btw, I learned about this from a book about the career of Harold Helmsley (pre Leona!) who used this his entire life and build a net worth of over $1 billion by the 1980s starting with absolutely no capital!  

Of you’re tired of endless negotiations, shotgunning offers to sellers who have no intention of selling, or chasing every “deal” that’s never going to be sold at a price an investor can profit, give this method a shot. 

Post: Is debt relief a good idea, filing bankruptcy

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Quote from @MIchael McCUe:

Money isn't easy to save and $10,000( my debts) is a ton of money I want to save for a downpayment, I'm just starting so I don't have any money I would like to save $60,000 to buy a rental property, I think I could do it in  5-6 years, my brother filed bankruptcy and they relieved him of $6000 in debt from cash money.

a list of my debt

Gst Hst Tax 4500 income tax from working with my dad I owe
Scotiabank credit card 1400
Canadian Tire credit card 500
cash money loan 2400
Belair 600
echelon 600

should I pay the 10k back in the next while or should I file bankruptcy like my brother as It won't be for years until I am able to get a downpayment for a rental house anyway.

Here are the negative consequences, in regard to real estate, of filing bankruptcy

1. Credit (loans) become much more difficult to obtain and if available you pay a MUCH higher interest rate with a much higher down payment requirement

2. Much more difficult to raise EQUITY capital through partners 

3. Much more difficult to syndicate investments 

4. Much more difficult to convince sellers to owner finance

5. Much more difficult to convince sellers to do a subject to transaction

6. Almost impossible to obtain a line of credit

7. May affect your ability to work in the financial field, or in any managerial position of a company that’s raising venture capital

8. Since the BK must be disclosed in any securities offering, you would not be able to be a partner in a syndicator/sponsor type deal

9. You will need to provide an explanation of the circumstances surrounding the BK every time you apply for credit, apply for a job, apply for a bank account, etc.

Bottom line is if you’re working day labor type jobs for small companies and live on a cash basis it might not affect anything.  If you’re have ambition either for a career as a management/ professional/ entrepreneur or becoming a real property investor then you’re going to bat with 2 strikes. 


Post: Do you prioritize equity growth or cash flow in your investments?

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Quote from @Devin James:

When running numbers on an investment property, I focus more on equity growth than monthly cash flow.

Here’s why:

If I can acquire a property at a low basis and add significant value, I can:

1) Sell and reinvest elsewhere

2) Cash-out refinance to recapture my investment. Id be happy to break-even with the rental income if I get all of my invested capital back.

At this stage in my life, these equity plays are more impactful than holding onto a property for a couple hundred dollars of monthly cash flow.

What’s your take? Do you prioritize equity growth or cash flow in your investments?

I find that cash flow is very important so that I don’t have to come “out of pocket” to pay for major improvements / repairs 

Post: Done with Stessa. Where should I go?

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I use quicken for personal and WAVE for my businesses.  I have totally given up on Quickbooks though it remains the best accounting software for the non CPA type