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All Forum Posts by: Don Konipol

Don Konipol has started 203 posts and replied 5186 times.

Post: "Church" Purchase Creative Financing

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Quote from @Allison Littman:

I am currently trying to close on a church in Nashville (residential R6-A zoning) and convert it into my primary residence. Two separate property appraisers (at the direction of the lender) were sent out to appraise, and neither was willing to appraise it as a "residence", and thus financing fell through (conventional primary loan). At this time, I am having to pay all cash in order to close.

Purchase price is approximately $600k. Since I'm taking such a cash hit, I asked the sellers agent if they would be able to designate some portion of the sale price ($200k?) as a "donation" (translating to the benefit of taking a deduction for 2025). They are amenable. My agent is saying that we are unable to split the contract that way (or reduce the purchase price), so I'm trying to figure out options. My tax professional is stating that I would need an appraisal to show the lot/structure are valued at $400k if I try to claim $200k as a donation.

Looking for any creative input on how something like this could be structured.

Taking part of the purchase price of real estate as a charitable donation and using said deduction to lower your taxes is tantamount to sending a cover letter to the IRS with your return requesting an audit. 

Post: Hard Money terms for partnership

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Quote from @Keilon Morton:

I am looking to secure my first tax sale and need another investor to go in on the deal. What are some terms that would appeal to an investor? I've never had to use hard money before, so I am not sure what type of conditions are reasonable. I am offering 15% interest on the initial investment plus 40% ROI after a six-month grace period. What penalties are normal for this type of partnership?

Because of the nature of a tax lien, it would be difficult to obtain financing from a commercial lender secured by the tax lien itself.  Best bet would be a 
“partnership” with a monied individual looking for a high risk/high return passive investment with you providing the “active” part. 

Post: Tips for negotiating your real estate deal

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Quote from @Collin Hays:

I visit fairly often with investors looking at a certain vacation rental property to make an offer on.  I am not a realtor, so I cannot give advice as though I am one, but there are some guidelines that I have used personally over the years, with great success. Maybe these will help you, too!

You’ve found the property you like, and the numbers seem to work, but it’s more than you can afford or want to pay. Here is the Collin Hays method of buying the property at what you want to pay:

  1. Don’t ask the seller what their best offer is. They’ve already priced the property. This puts both you and them in an uncomfortable situation, as you are inferring that they didn’t already price it fairly.
  2. Don’t make a list of the flaws of the property and use that to try to talk the seller down. They know they ins and outs of their property, and you bad-mouthing the property isn’t going to going to endear you to the seller. If you want the seller to accept a lower offer, you can’t offend them.  
  3. Consider the possibility that the property is already priced quite fairly. I have given asking price several times with no quibble, particularly if I really liked the property and the numbers worked well.  
  4. If you really like the place but you feel that it is priced too high for your budget, instead of saying “it’s priced too high” and insulting the seller, simply say “I absolutely love your place; it is exactly what I want, and I’d really like to buy it. It’s just more than I can afford, and I don’t want to offend you with a low offer.” If the seller says, “Oh no, feel free to give us an offer”, then there is your invitation.  
  5. Find out what the seller has invested in the property if you can. In many states, this is public information. You can find the most recent sales price for the property on the local tax records website or by doing a quick search on Zillow. If you are trying to buy a $ 1 million home, and they bought it 20 years ago for $250,000, it’s likely they have a whole lot more wiggle room – and less price sensitivity – than someone who paid $1.2 million for it last year. Of course, what they paid isn’t going to take into account the money they have spent on renovations or remodeling, which can be substantial.  
  6. Finally, even with a substantial discount, the house may not be worth it. Do your due diligence and make sure the numbers work for you. It may be that it works quite well at the asking price.  It may be that the price needs to be substantially less for the numbers to work.  You do not owe the seller any explanation on this.  They already made their investment using their own reasoning; now it's your turn.


Happy Hunting!

Collin, your “tips” are quite good, though each and every situation is somewhat different…..
For years I negotiated and negotiated and negotiated, successfully on some, unsuccessfully are many more.  As investors (buying a home to live in or to house a business we own is DIFFERENT), 90% of sellers will NOT (at least at the present time) accept an offer that makes sense for the investor.  

I no longer “negotiate”.  Whether it’s an offer to purchase a property, to provide equity capital, or to provide financing, I merely state the price/terms I’m willing to pay. I let the seller/borrower/co investor know that this is my offer and it’s what I’m willing to do.  If the opposing part comes back with a 
different” number(s) or terms, I politely reject it and reiterate my initial and only offer.  I may explain that while I’d like to buy/finance/invest in his property, I need to earn a certain return on my invested capital for the given amount of risk, and if not able to earn the return on the subject deal than I will on the next deal.  If the seller counters that I’m being unrealistic, I politely tell him I’ve purchased, financed or invested in over 650 properties.  

The beauty of this is that intermediaries who work with me know that I make “fair” offers based on VERIFIABLE facts, that I follow through with completed deals unless important information was with held or information provided was false, and that there’s absolutely no value in presenting deals to me where the seller/borrower/investor is unrealistic, naive, or otherwise wanting to “test” the market.  

Btw, I learned about this from a book about the career of Harold Helmsley (pre Leona!) who used this his entire life and build a net worth of over $1 billion by the 1980s starting with absolutely no capital!  

Of you’re tired of endless negotiations, shotgunning offers to sellers who have no intention of selling, or chasing every “deal” that’s never going to be sold at a price an investor can profit, give this method a shot. 

Post: Is debt relief a good idea, filing bankruptcy

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Quote from @MIchael McCUe:

Money isn't easy to save and $10,000( my debts) is a ton of money I want to save for a downpayment, I'm just starting so I don't have any money I would like to save $60,000 to buy a rental property, I think I could do it in  5-6 years, my brother filed bankruptcy and they relieved him of $6000 in debt from cash money.

a list of my debt

Gst Hst Tax 4500 income tax from working with my dad I owe
Scotiabank credit card 1400
Canadian Tire credit card 500
cash money loan 2400
Belair 600
echelon 600

should I pay the 10k back in the next while or should I file bankruptcy like my brother as It won't be for years until I am able to get a downpayment for a rental house anyway.

Here are the negative consequences, in regard to real estate, of filing bankruptcy

1. Credit (loans) become much more difficult to obtain and if available you pay a MUCH higher interest rate with a much higher down payment requirement

2. Much more difficult to raise EQUITY capital through partners 

3. Much more difficult to syndicate investments 

4. Much more difficult to convince sellers to owner finance

5. Much more difficult to convince sellers to do a subject to transaction

6. Almost impossible to obtain a line of credit

7. May affect your ability to work in the financial field, or in any managerial position of a company that’s raising venture capital

8. Since the BK must be disclosed in any securities offering, you would not be able to be a partner in a syndicator/sponsor type deal

9. You will need to provide an explanation of the circumstances surrounding the BK every time you apply for credit, apply for a job, apply for a bank account, etc.

Bottom line is if you’re working day labor type jobs for small companies and live on a cash basis it might not affect anything.  If you’re have ambition either for a career as a management/ professional/ entrepreneur or becoming a real property investor then you’re going to bat with 2 strikes. 


Post: Do you prioritize equity growth or cash flow in your investments?

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Quote from @Devin James:

When running numbers on an investment property, I focus more on equity growth than monthly cash flow.

Here’s why:

If I can acquire a property at a low basis and add significant value, I can:

1) Sell and reinvest elsewhere

2) Cash-out refinance to recapture my investment. Id be happy to break-even with the rental income if I get all of my invested capital back.

At this stage in my life, these equity plays are more impactful than holding onto a property for a couple hundred dollars of monthly cash flow.

What’s your take? Do you prioritize equity growth or cash flow in your investments?

I find that cash flow is very important so that I don’t have to come “out of pocket” to pay for major improvements / repairs 

Post: Done with Stessa. Where should I go?

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I use quicken for personal and WAVE for my businesses.  I have totally given up on Quickbooks though it remains the best accounting software for the non CPA type 

Post: Renting short term on a sub leased property: Is it much harder? (rental arbitrage)

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Quote from @John Brown:

I have a friend with a property in a very desirable location in Texas that I believe would be great for STR. It sits on about 1000 acres 30 minutes from Fredericksburg. He does not want to deal with the headache of tenants cleaning or any thing to do with STR. The property is unused most of the year.

How much harder is it to run an STR on a subleased property? Also any tips for automating this as much as possible and how to protect the property financially and property management would be appreciated.

I ALMOST understand the rental arbitrage strategy if building a company scaling with say 30 + units and looking for high short term cash flow.  But by building a successful short term rental business on someone else’s property aren’t you giving away the increase in value of the property resulting from your efforts to the property owner?  Let’s say a property is, in its current situation worth $300,000.  You rent it for one year and create a successful STR business that shows a trailing 12 month net income of $75,000.  As a result the property, based on capitalization rates, can now be sold for $450,000.  You paid the property owner $40,000 in rent.  So, after one year you netted $35,000 for your efforts while the property owner netted $40,000 in rent plus $150,000 increase in value.  

I don’t know, if you just want a job I guess arbitrage could work.  But, it’s not a business because even if successful, you don’t own the underlying asset, so unless you grow very large you have nothing to sell.  And you don’t own the real property so you’re not growing your wealth there.  Seems like too much work for too little return UNLESS you own the property, or perhaps have an option to purchase the property allowing you to capture any increase in value. 

A property doesnt increase in value just because an STR is run successfully on it. its value on paper is based on the comparables in the area. The perceived value may be more, because you know an STR was run there and making money, but a lender wont value it more.

While I agree a lender probably won’t value it more, an investor interested in running it as a STR will pay more.  They may justifying paying more by claiming they’re paying the premium for the “business”, but since the “business” and the real property are inseparable the property owner will still benefit from the increased value due to the arbitrager efforts.  

Further, the property may qualify for larger loans based on the increased cash flow ability to service debt.  I have financed a number of STR properties and they will usually be appraised as a pure real estate as vacant value and a cash flow adjusted commercial value, sometime separated as going concern and real property.  In many of these financings, the buyer paid a purchase price based at least partially on the increased cash flow generated by the property being “proven” as a successful STR. 

Post: Renting short term on a sub leased property: Is it much harder? (rental arbitrage)

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Quote from @John Brown:

I have a friend with a property in a very desirable location in Texas that I believe would be great for STR. It sits on about 1000 acres 30 minutes from Fredericksburg. He does not want to deal with the headache of tenants cleaning or any thing to do with STR. The property is unused most of the year.

How much harder is it to run an STR on a subleased property? Also any tips for automating this as much as possible and how to protect the property financially and property management would be appreciated.

I ALMOST understand the rental arbitrage strategy if building a company scaling with say 30 + units and looking for high short term cash flow.  But by building a successful short term rental business on someone else’s property aren’t you giving away the increase in value of the property resulting from your efforts to the property owner?  Let’s say a property is, in its current situation worth $300,000.  You rent it for one year and create a successful STR business that shows a trailing 12 month net income of $75,000.  As a result the property, based on capitalization rates, can now be sold for $450,000.  You paid the property owner $40,000 in rent.  So, after one year you netted $35,000 for your efforts while the property owner netted $40,000 in rent plus $150,000 increase in value.  

I don’t know, if you just want a job I guess arbitrage could work.  But, it’s not a business because even if successful, you don’t own the underlying asset, so unless you grow very large you have nothing to sell.  And you don’t own the real property so you’re not growing your wealth there.  Seems like too much work for too little return UNLESS you own the property, or perhaps have an option to purchase the property allowing you to capture any increase in value. 

Post: Wholesaling as it is today will be a thing of the past.

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Quote from @Adam Macias:

Wholesaling as it is today will be a thing of the past.

It’ll truly be strange to even hear people and gurus trying to make big money off it.

The more people try wholesaling but then end up not having an end buyer or cancelling contracts or trying weird things like novations, the more all of real estate will be regulated and cause requirements like licensing to be able to transact more than just your personal resident purchase.

Which I don't know why hasn't happened sooner.

Here's all the states (in red or yellow) requiring a license to wholesale or at least have started the process:

Credit: REITipster



I think licensing and regulation is a beautiful thing that should happen if you plan to be an wholesaler and do more than one deal... which is going to be the case for anyone taking this business seriously.

Or even it being regulated to need a real estate agent to do more than one deal outside of buying a personal residence.

I've had plenty of failed attempts with agents in pursuit of wholesale deals and I know exactly why, it's not because the agent couldn't find me deals, it's just not practical to think there's opportunity for the numbers a wholesaler needs to make a profit on top of everyone else needing to these days.

Because the only sellers who truly can sell at a deep enough discount are usually those who ran out of time and just didn't do something sooner with their situation.

I know many coaches and gurus will disagree with me but there’s no regulations on youtube gurus and what they teach either.

If we look at the current state of the market in hot cities, the availability of online resources to the average homeowner, how many deals can you possibly believe are available at 70% of ARV?

This isn't 2011-2013 days but many people are stuck in that time period STILL.

As I finish my licensing study, I'm very grateful I chose this route as opposed to being a one trick pony.

Wholesalers did themselves in by their method of operating.  The “buyer beware” philosophy is fine for commercial transactions, but taking “advantage” of home owners when they’re most vulnerable and lack market sophistication is something no right thinking person wants.  If a wholesaler can still profit while provided “full disclosure” and adhering to the rules and regulations of real estate licensees then they’ve earned their profit.  


Post: Why Most Real Estate Investors Can’t Scale Their Investments or Their Business.

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@Chris Seveney and @Stuart Udis and @Jay Hinrichs have posted excellent analysis.  

One particular point can not be over emphasized; even if someone has and is willing to invest the capital in attempting to build or scale their business or investments, they still May fail if they do not possess or can not evaluate those who CLAIM to possess the necessary expertise required for scaling. 

A simple example I have used before illustrates this point.  A good friend of mine has a real estate related service business he wanted to scale.  As part of his investment of capital into scaling, he hired a marketing firm specializing in SEO, SEM, social media, direct email, etc.  unfortunately this marketing specialist was NOT a specialist in marketing for real estate businesses, did not understand the unique requirements and characteristics of real estate, and hence implemented their “generic” on line marketing program.  My friend spent $81,000 on marketing and told me he could not trace one sale to a lead generated by the program and that the program generated almost no leads anyway.  He abandoned trying to scale.

Learning from this experience when my partner and I decided we wanted to double our net income, we realized it would take a increase of 2 1/2 time our volume and probably need to triple our deal flow.  As part of the program we hired a marketing specialist whose only clientele were real estate related businesses.  She took about two months studying outreach particular niche and instituted a program in steps where the results could be verified before implementing the next step.  The first year we spent $45,000 on the program, and our deal flow doubled with our net profit up 70 + %.  The second year we only spent $25,000, and achieved our original goals.  

If I had tried to scale my business before I understood what was required in hiring marketing expertise I would have made the same mistake as my friend of hiring a “generic” on line marketer and probably ended in failure.