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All Forum Posts by: Emma Chen

Emma Chen has started 10 posts and replied 84 times.

Post: >>ORANGE COUNTY- MEETUP!! MAY 28TH <<

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

@Karen Margrave

Sorry. My husband and I will not be able to make it this time because we will be out of town for the week.

Thanks a lot for organizing this.

Emma Chen

Post: >>ORANGE COUNTY- MEETUP!! MAY 28TH <<

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

Planning on going. Thanks !

Post: Results for First Time Tax Lien Investment in AZ

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

@Jerry K.

@Jerry K. is right. My winnings for good properties are all 3-4% and 1 vacant land is 8%. I m looking to get short-term returns not to foreclose on any properties.

Post: After Winning Tax Lien Certificates Online

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

@Jerry K. I appreciate your advise and comments.

I downloaded 's financial model and decided to build my own customized for Arizona tax liens investment.

Great tips for tax deduction for properties tours. I will figure it out whether/how to get deduction and keep you posted.

Noted on collecting more information on owners.

Thanks,

Emma

Post: After Winning Tax Lien Certificates Online

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

Hi all,

As I said in the other post, http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/70/topics/116927-results-for-first-time-tax-lien-investment-in-az , I won 8 tax liens in Coconino county. I wonder what I should do to follow up on this investment.

I am thinking to:

1. build a spreadsheet to track timelines for each lien; Timelines for subsequent taxes, redemption period and expiration date.

2. create a financial model to track investment return for each lien and/or this investment;

3. tour the properties I won liens on some time this year in order to decide next step for holding/dumping strategy.

Please suggest anything else I need to pay attention to.

Thanks,

Emma

Post: Results for First Time Tax Lien Investment in AZ

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Jerry K.:
@Emma Chen Congratulations on your first lien investments! Scoring that many liens in your first auction is incredible. The good thing about liens in the later batches is that people run out of money and the rates can be higher for the last couple of batches of liens.

I imagine the rates were fairly low on the residential properties. Vacant land does tend to get higher rates and the lien amounts can be low since the land is unimproved.

I did not have such good luck in Coconino this year. All of my bids ended up being on liens that were redeemed right before the auction ended. Never had that happen before.

Yes. 6 out of 8 liens I won are from last batch. Good luck with Pinal county!

Post: Results for First Time Tax Lien Investment in AZ

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Barry M.:
Emma Chen Did you drive by or have someone drive by to see if there were properties on the lots you won? Unfortunately, google maps showcases photos of a property from 2007 and since then the property might have burned to the ground.

I agree that we cant rely too much on google maps photos. I am willing to take risks since it's my first trial. In the future, I will consider driving around or hiring someone.

Post: Results for First Time Tax Lien Investment in AZ

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

to be honest, I don't know. However, in my opinion, investing in tax liens are different from buying a house. I can get an idea how likely the lien will be redeemed from information I have, even though I can not be sure about how good the house condition is. In the future, I will drive to places I plan to invest in or hire someone to tour properties I picked. you can't get into the house if you buy the tax lien on it no matter what.

Post: Results for First Time Tax Lien Investment in AZ

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17

Hello all,

I would like to share my experience and results for bidding tax liens auctions in Coconino, AZ. Thanks to @Jerry K. 's help along the process.

  1. I register at Realauction.com and get familiar with the bidding system.
  2. I made deposit, 10% of my budget on line.
  3. Use quick search function on the website to pull out the tax lien list. I set up my criteria before the research. I want to be low risk investment for my first time. So I am targeting at single family properties, condos and small multifamily properties. I did bid on a couple of residential vacant land in Urban area.
  4. I use Land use code and lien face value range to filter all properties I like.
  5. After putting together a list, I start doing research one by one by using county office website, google maps, Zillow and EPA website.
  6. I bid at 5-8% for first three batches but got nothing because winners for properties I bid on are at 2%-4%, some even 1%.
  7. I adjusted my bidding rate for later batches.
  8. I won 8 bids in total. 7 of them are properties with house on it at low rate. 1 of them is residential vacant land at higher rate.
  9. I made payment for all my winning bids on the day of results.
  10. waiting for tax lien certificate.....

Hope this is helpful to other newbies. I am looking at Pinal County now.

Post: Arizona Tax Lien auction changes - big banks & funds limited

Emma ChenPosted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 17
Originally posted by @Jerry K.:
@Steve Babiak Thank you for the links about IRS liens. I see the rule specifically stated here (Number 2 in bold below):

5.17.2.6.5.6 (03-27-2012)
Real Property Tax and Special Assessment Liens



  1. This "superpriority" protects certain specified state and local tax liens against real property. IRC § 6323(b)(6) applies if state or local law entitles such liens to priority over security interests in such property which are prior in time, and such lien secures payment of one of the following three types of taxes or charges:
    1. A tax of general application levied by any taxing authority based upon the value of such property. For example, real estate tax.
    2. A special assessment imposed directly upon such property by any taxing authority, if such assessment is imposed for the purpose of defraying the cost of any public improvement. For example, sewers, streets, or sidewalks.
    3. A charge for utilities or public services furnished to such property by the United States, a state or political subdivision thereof, or an instrumentality of any one or more of the foregoing.
  2. If real estate taxes (whenever they accrue) are ahead of mortgages under local law, they will also be ahead of federal tax liens. The result will be the same if a special assessment lien arises after the federal tax lien is in existence. The same priorities apply in the case of charges for utilities or public services.

@Jerry K.

@Steve Babiak Does this mean that we don't need to concern much about IRS Liens? Since federal law will protect real estate taxes liens as long as local law keeps property tax lien prior to other liens.

Thanks,