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All Forum Posts by: Evan Lewellen

Evan Lewellen has started 0 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Appreciation Over Cashflow...Will Get You More Cashflow

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Andrew McGuire:

I know this title might be confusing but this is what I tell new investors or friends when I meet with them. 

Cashflow Should Not be the only thing you Consider when Buying Rental Properties. Like many I started my Real Estate Investing Journey obsessed with the idea of Cashflow and gaining my own Financial Freedom. I mean in theory it makes perfect sense, If I could create more cashflow than my monthly expenses. Than theoretically I would be financially free. I wouldn't have to work another day in my life doing things that I didn’t want to do.

I think a lot of other new investors come to that conclusion as well. If I could get X amount of rental properties bringing me this amount of cashflow monthly, I'll be financially free. While I think cashflow has its purpose, it’s the way we get to the heavy cashflow and financial freedom that I have a different perspective on.

I see this with a lot of friends, beginner real estate investors and others on platforms like Bigger Pockets. As I did my first couple of years, a lot of these investors want to invest in markets that are really cheap to get into but have high cashflow

I know friends who bought homes in states like Ohio for 50K, and it rents for $800/month. This easily achieves the 1% rule which means its rents are 1% of the total purchase price.

And theoretically this would be a great deal. The problem with these cheap rentals are that when you really start to look at the true cashflow. After all the headaches, maintenance and management issues it doesn’t end up being much. And then when you go to sell the property after you realize that you end up selling it for about the same as what you paid for it. That's why I don't invest in these markets…..for now.

A couple of reasons I don't like investing in cheap markets. #1) a lot of times when the rents are lower your property has a lot more issue and headaches with the tenants, they are generally more challenging to manage.

Another reason I don't like them is that one repair can completely wipe out your cashflow for the year. If your rents are 1000/month only call it 20% of that is kept from cashflow that amounts to $2400 for the entire year. One repair like a furnace or electric panel will eat up all of that cashflow. Let's cross our fingers and hope that we don't have any issues with larger ticket items like the roof or sewer.

I also don't mind putting nice things into a home when it raises the value of the property but in a lot of these cheaper markets that's the thing it doesn’t increase the value. The biggest reason why I don't like cheap markets is because of the appreciation. That's the trade off markets that have a high cashflow right out of the gate typically don't appreciate. If I buy a house for 80K today chances are its going to be about the same price in 10 years if I go to sell it or refinance.

So these are some of the reasons I don't like cashflow markets. Now let's talk about what I do like……the high appreciation markets. If you buy properties in these markets, like Phoenix. These markets give you the best chance to build your net worth. Let's look at what happened from 2019 to 2023 in the Phoenix market.

If you purchased a home for 300K in 2019 chances are that home almost double in value in the 4 your period up to 2023, that same home is probably worth about 550K today increasing your net worth 250K.

That's just one house. What if you owned 5 properties. If each of these properties went up by 250K in value your net worth would have increased $1.25M. Not bad and for most of us that would easily surpass our income over that same period. Now I know its not realistic that home prices double again over such a short period of time but if you look at how much money our government is printing and how bad inflation has been over the last couple of years. Real Estate is a hedge against inflation and inflation is directly responsible for home prices going up so drastically.

Do I think home prices will double again over the next 10 years in these high appreciation markets?

I personally do believe they will.

Now let's take a look at your average home here in the Phoenix market and how you really get a huge monthly cashflow that can not only greatly increase your net worth but also give you the monthly cashflow you need to retire comfortably.

If you purchase a home for $550K it will typically rent for $2700 a month which doesn't get you even close to the 1% rule and is likely not going to cashflow. However I would still rather buy this property than the cheap property in the midwest that makes me 200-300/cashflow a month. In 15 years from now the 550K property in Phoenix could potentially be valued at over $1M. Your going to make some great cashflow once its paid off and it is still renting for $4K/month. Now what's that 80K property in the Midwest worth, I don't know but I'm guessing best case $100K to $120K.

My philosophy is this, while you are working and making a good income and you don't need the cashflow, you don't need to be financially free right away. I would rather increase my net worth and balance and then take the cashflow later on. It’s not like you will not have cashflow forever, it will cashflow in time. I'm not suggesting that you buy properties that are losing money monthly. What I am suggesting is find properties in high appreciation markets, rent them aggressive strategies such as Airbnb or Room by Room. To where your mortgage and utilities are covered by the rents. Then let the market do the work to greatly increase your net worth.

If you want do get financially free buy more homes than you need. If you think it will take 5 paid off homes to make you financially free. Do your best to acquire 10 of these homes. Let the market do the work. Once they’ve increased in value, sell half of them off and payoff the remaining mortgage on the 5 properties you keep

In conclusion I don't think you should not only be thinking about cashflow. You should also be thinking about increasing your net worth and balance sheet. We just talked about appreciation, but there is also so many other benefits to owning more expensive real estate. Depreciation being one of them. I do want to say this video was in relation to single family homes. When you are looking at larger multifamily properties. I do think it makes sense to go to these cheaper and higher cashflow markets because of scale and the ability to force appreciation when improving the properties cashflow.


I agree with this 1000%. The areas that are desirable now (and therefore harder to cashflow presently) are historically generally going to appreciate at a much faster rate than something cheap in a tiny market that shows good cashflow on paper. Rents should follow that same pattern logically. I'd rather be sitting on an massive pile of equity in 10 years than cashflow a few extra thousand annually in the meantime (assuming rents don't increase to the point that you end up with more cumulative cashflow over that same time period anyways).

Obviously this isn't a hard science and I'm not knocking the high cash flow/low appreciation approach in any way. Just giving my two cents.

@James Walworth lets hear your point of view

Post: Best markets for multi family

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Zachary Ware:

It sounds like you should be looking outside of growth cities and tertiary markets. You can even look to forecast which direction cities are moving and generate significant appreciation in the future. Look in states that are investor friendly such as Tennessee, Georgia, Texas, Arizona, and Florida. 


AZ is investor friendly for sure but good luck finding a turnkey four-plex <$700k in a B class area that hits the 1% rule. If someone finds one let me know! I'm interested!

Post: Foreign Investing in ARIZONA

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13

Wholesale agent here in the valley. We focus mainly on off-market value add commercial multifamily and SFR/MFR. If you have any questions at all feel free to drop me a message. Arizona is a great place to get started, especially if you've done your homework and made some solid connections with the right people. Best of luck!

Post: Newbie investor in Ohio

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Account Closed:

Welcome to the forums, Chi! Congrats on the first purchase, are you investing in Dayton? Ohio is a great market right now, best of luck!


 Agreed with Ohio being a great place to invest in right now. I was born and raised in Columbus (so I'm a little biased) and that would be my first choice. I have a family member that invests in Dayton though and the cash flow can be insane with super low cost of entry. Even houses he's bought during the pandemic boom are on track to be paid off in ~4 years.

On the other side of the coin, these are Section 8 rentals in "sketchy" parts of West Dayton that aren't the safest and the tenants can be a pain to deal with. Appreciation is probably not going to be all that great (unless there's some other economic factor that I'm not aware of) as larger companies like NCR have left and the population has been stagnant or declining over the past couple decades.

Main point is, whatever investment you end up taking on just do your due diligence to fully understand the pros and cons (both long and short term) and make sure that aligns with your investing goals. BP is a great place to start so you're on the right path. Best of luck!

Post: Building A Duplex in Phoenix/Casa Carde Arizona

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13

Hey Benjamin,

Welcome to BP. Are you specifically wanting to build new or are you open to buying an existing value add duplex and rehabbing? I'm probably not the best person to give advice on the process of building new but I have a bit of experience with finding duplexes that need work at a discount and renovating. 

With the current state of costs of construction and pricing of vacant land in the Phoenix area, I would imagine it would be difficult to generate enough rental income on a duplex to offset the payment on new construction. It sounds like you have a solid background in the construction industry though, so it's possible you might have enough industry knowledge/direct access to good subs and suppliers that would reduce your costs enough to make the numbers work.

Happy to connect if you'd like to chat more in depth about my experience and any insight I can provide to help you get started.

Post: Looking for a General Contractor in Phoenix, AZ

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13

If you are still looking for a recommendation drop me a message. I have a first time investor client that just finished his first flip and would be happy to pass along his contractor's contact info. Haven't worked with them on any projects firsthand but sounds like they finished his flip on time and slightly under budget, unbelievable as that sounds.

Post: Private Money rates Phoenix area

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Jeremy Holden:

Give Boomerang capital a call, theyre really good. 


 Second this. Never heard anything but praise from investors I've worked with that use them.

Post: Arizona now the #2 state for in-state migration

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Chad McMahan:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

@James Hamling Approx 64,000 per year....measured from 2016 - 2022
Roughly 64,000 Californians moved to Arizona annually during 2016-2020 (azeconomy.org)

I am sure there is plenty "nice" about Arizona but I don't "get-it". It's just too much, desert, for me. 
Yeah, there is winter in the north and it get's cold, but if I had to I can just build a fire and heat up. In the desert, I can't just whip-up a rain storm.
I know it's a bit goofy a thing to think about as we are as disconnected from living on the land as one can get, but I like to know I could if I needed or wanted to. 


AZ is awesome! It's much more than just desert. I recommend spending time at a few parts of AZ that are less desert-like. Sedona, Prescott, Flagstaff and many other towns are cooler and greener.

 Agreed. Born and raised in the midwest, and I will take the heat in the summer over the midwest winter any day. It's uncomfortable for sure, but you can still more or less go about your regular day-to-day. Winter shuts everything down where I'm from and everyone just pretty much hibernates until spring.

I haven't found a replacement for the greenery and nature if that's your thing. Sedona is great and all but doesn't really fill that void for me. Haven't spent much time in Flagstaff or Prescott though.

Post: Invest in Cleveland/Akron or Columbus Ohio?

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13

Columbus or Cincinatti for a more balanced mix of cashflow and appreciation. Cleveland or Dayton if cash flow is main priority

Post: How to even start with Investment Properties....Prefer Out of State

Evan LewellenPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 19
  • Votes 13

Arizona if being relatively close is an important factor. Midwest (I personally like Columbus or Cincinatti) if it's not.