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All Forum Posts by: Jennifer Streamer

Jennifer Streamer has started 9 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: Royal Oak, Michigan SFH Rentals

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Have you had good luck in Clawson?  I've looked at a number of houses there and it seems like with the lower rents (compared to Royal Oak), it's hard to find a rental that cash flows well.  Clawson is small though, and their aren't many data points, so I may not be calculating the rent correctly.  What do you get?

Originally posted by @Anthony Venturini:

Ethan, 

Royal Oak returns on rentals are less than modest. I have seen a couple rentals perform well on the main roads (Lincoln, Campbell, and the Mile Roads) because you can buy these for a little cheaper and still price fairly high. I would say the same of late in Berkley.

Clawson Is going to perform better, but I think that Oak Park / Madison Heights / Ferndale have the best equity upside and cash flow. There are opportunities to turnkey flip as well in these areas. 

3/1's $100-135k ($1200-1500 per month in rent)

Good luck!

Post: Royal Oak, Michigan SFH Rentals

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Hi Ethan,

We have not gotten anything in Royal Oak in 2017.  We've bought in the Lamphere schools section for Madison Heights, just before the prices jumped up this spring.  We have a couple in that area and they've worked out well.  I don't know if Royal Oak will be able to appreciate as quickly as some of the lower priced areas - but the tenant quality and rent amount are much higher.  We're looking in Royal Oak again.  Our amazing realtor, Nancy Robinson, helps us choose.  She has never steered us wrong :-)

We like to bring in a minimum of $400 above PITI from day 1.  We like to get around 14-15% ROI, including any initial updates and repairs.  I want to have all my money back out in <7 years from the date of purchase (on paper).  We've done some Refi's and things, but in my initial evaluation I look for that.

Tenant pays water/sewage/utilities.  

$1700 seems a little high on a mile road unless the place is super nice - granite, etc.  I find rents go down a little the further you are from downtown unless you are on a particularly nice street.  So your numbers would be a little tight, for me.  But you have to start somewhere!  It's usually easier to find deals after labor day and as you move toward the holiday season.

The Royal Oak Non-homestead taxes are actually the lowest in the area.  For an identically priced home, you'd pay nearly double the taxes if you were in Hazel Park, for instance.  Ferndale is very high, too.  I don't have the link to the online calculator that the state provides, but it sounds like you may have found it?  Play around by changing the city but leaving he purchase price the same.  You'll see what I mean.



Originally posted by @Ethan Nowak:

@Jennifer

Thank you very much for your feedback about the RO market! Its seems like you already have experience with SFHs in the area.  I would be interested to speak with you more on some of your experiences and thoughts about the following. 

The real estate market has rebounded again and is fairly high, especially in the RO area. Have you purchased any properties this year? How do you look for/assess value in the area?

Do you have monthly cash flow requirements? 

What do you expect to get regarding cash on cash return and cap rate locally? 

I see that you mentioned getting 1% of the value or better via rent. That makes sense. We are evaluating a property on 13Mile that is 170k (3 bed, 1.5 bath) pretty good condition, think it could rent for around 1500-1700 a month. The non-homestead taxes in RO are very expensive though, which was something I had not considered initially.   Seems to be throwing off my cash flow numbers. 

Finally, do you make the tenant pay water/sewer/garbage and utilities? 

Sorry for all the questions! 

Ethan

Post: Royal Oak, Michigan SFH Rentals

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

I have rentals in Royal Oak.  I find the best way to track the market is to sign up for alerts on zillow and trulia to email all new rentals every morning.  If I see a property similar to mine, I glance through the photos and note the location. It keeps me up to speed on what's going on.

The inspectors only look at the outside of the property.  

With a fairly standard 30 year mortgage, I find that if the rent is above 1% of the purchase price, we do all right.  That depends on the amount of work the house needed up front.  Right now, it's uncommon to find a place that makes sense.  That being said, rents have gone up very nicely over the last couple of years.  We started out just above 1%, but now we're well above that.  We're also at $1600 for a 3/1 with a garage and a basement.  

It's competitive.  You need to move fast for most properties. If it's priced right, you'll need to have your offer in the day that it is listed.  Sometimes properties are priced too high and so they sit.  We put in an low offer on New Year's eve on a great place on Hudson that had been on the market for 6 months.  They had started out way too high and didn't get in the right price range until the winter slump.  That was a win for us!  Everybody else was finishing their Christmas cookies :-)

Rentals are in high demand.  It will be easy to find tenants.  If you screen well, you should have no difficulty finding good tenants.  Our properties aren't fancy, but they're clean and comfortable.  

If you ever want to talk further, let me know.

Post: Bought a rental in Hazel Park, MI

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

@Fernando Domingo  good luck with your investing.  Let me know if I can ever help out.

Post: Bought a rental in Hazel Park, MI

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

I have a few tips about Hazel Park.  I don't own anything in Hazel Park, but have investigated the possibility.  I moved on to other cities because of a couple of things.  The first is not a deal breaker, but it's something to be aware of.  Inspectors and the city are tough to work with.

Second, be aware that the non-homestead taxes are very high.  Here are the annual taxes on a 120k house in each of the following cities:

Hazel Park: $5627

Royal Oak: $3467

Madison Heights (Lamphere Schools): $3748

Oak Park (Berkley Schools): $4855

Finally, I discovered insurance is higher in Hazel Park.  

Basically, I realized that my monthly payment with a 30 year mortgage, tax and insurance was roughly the same if I bought a 160k property in Royal Oak or a 120k property in Hazel Park.  

Since the rent in Royal Oak is greater, I have a higher return on the 160k property in Royal Oak.  The down payment is more, naturally, so it may be possible to do better in Hazel park because you are able to buy more homes - especially if you're buying the lower cost homes.  Also, Hazel Park may have more potential for appreciation.  In my mind, it has a loong way to go.

Post: When do I worry about missing tenant?

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:

@Jennifer Streamer,

Want to compliment you on your concern for your tenant as a human person. Hope he's o.k. ...

 Thank you, David :-)  

Post: When do I worry about missing tenant?

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Will Johnston:

@Jennifer Streamer For what it's worth, I'd waive the fee. I've got an A class single family with a tenant that honestly just sometimes forgets to send me the rent. A single email pretty much always does it.  I get the whole by the book mentality, but I'd rather not piss them off over a day late when they always pay and it's not like I have to chase them down.  Given that this was a medical emergency, I wouldn't charge them the late fee.

Thanks for the feedback, Will.  You know - I probably would not have charged the late fee, but I was swayed by all of the hard-nosed advice in this thread!  Maybe many of the others are in tougher neighborhoods with more challenging tenants?  I don't know.  But I appreciate another opinion!!  

Post: When do I worry about missing tenant?

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @George Paiva:

I would add that if this was a safety concern you can always just call the local police to do a welfare check.  They will meet you at the property and you can open the door for them to go in.  I usually do this a lot when I suspect something wrong.

@george paiva that's a good suggestion.  I wasn't sure if I was overreacting because it wasn't very long, just seemed out of character.  But my gut was right.

Post: When do I worry about missing tenant?

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

@Kevin Phu  thanks for the kind words.  I'll have to get far more cynical before I don't care about someone's well being!  In almost 10 years we've never had an eviction or a problem, so maybe I'm naive.  We only have 5 rentals and all are in nice areas.

Post: When do I worry about missing tenant?

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

@John Casmon  I meant I wasn't sure if I should waive the fee and was reflecting that a credit card company likely would, so should I?  I didn't waive the fee and I'm not sure if I feel right about that even now.  

Agreed- I hope this isn't part of a pattern!

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