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All Forum Posts by: John Horner

John Horner has started 112 posts and replied 1113 times.

Post: The Strangest Thing Happened...

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I don't know if I would call it conned.  I mean shame on the wholesaler if they were intentionally trying to deceive someone, but if you have $15k and choose to throw it away on something you know nothing about, that's you're own fault.

Post: financing with domestic partner?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Curt Davis:

Go individual if you can.  It will be the easiest way.  

Also forming an LLC will not get you normal conventional financing with a bank. Banks dont make loans to LLC's.

Thaaaaaat's a broad statement, I know for a fact that CS Bank in Columbus makes conventional loans to LLC's. My business partner just got 5% on a 20 year.

Post: how to find "Subject To" Motivated Sellers using List source

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
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Why would you want sub2 specifically, I would think that you would first want to look for seller financing on a property that is free and clear, there is much more flexibilty.

For free and clear just use 100% equity when sorting list.

Post: Direct Calling vs Direct Mail

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
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What is your goal here?  To save money on mailers?

When you send out mailers you are skimming the highest motivated sellers off the top.  Why waste your time calling the other 99.8% of people that are not motivated?

Lets say you are using a high equity absentee owners list.  If you were to send 1,000 postcards, you would get 2% response, and 1 deal per 20 calls, so exactly 1 deals.  Which means you would be wasting your time on 999 of the calls?  Or at least 980 of them.

I think my main point is that you can't PRODUCE motivation, only time and circumstances can do that.  So why not let the seller come to you once they become motivated?  So if a person is not motivated, they won't respond well to a call or postcard, the only difference is sending a postcard is MUCH easier!

Post: Attention investors Don't be this guy.

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
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Originally posted by @Jeff Rabinowitz:

@James Wise, I would contend the realtard wasted her own time.  If she doesn't have a way to screen (screen out) her clients that is her own fault.  Yes, the guy is a jerk but it should have been fairly easy to determine that without wasting much time.

 Hahaha "Realtard", I love it!  

Post: 2% rule is bull

John Horner
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  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Jeremy Davis:

hahaha oh and if you found a house for sale for 38k in columbus you my friend are on the hilltop.... hilltop USA one of the worst parts of town!!!! you suck at life, at investing, and should leave investing to the big kids :D 

 That property is in Hilliard, OH, not hilltop.  Not a bad area and will Def bring 2%.  My neck of the woods.

Post: How do you keep an abnormally large profit in a Wholesale assignment from your buyer?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Tom V.:

Just be honest.  

Tell them that their house is worth a lot more than you are paying them. 

Tell them that you don't have a real estate license, but you are brokering the sale of their house to another individual.  

Explain what a large piece you are trying to take out of the transaction and that they should be happy to get any cash at all.   That if they wanted the fair value of their house, they should have been working with an actual real estate agent who would help them get the highest price possible.  

Or just find a way to lie to them.  

Best of luck.  

 I would not use the word "brokering", that would be illegal without a license.

Post: 2% rule is bull

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Will Porter:

@John Horner this idea of funneling motivated sellers is very interesting. Can you provide a bit more detail about your "processes and marketing channels" -- like a big picture overview? What's the general approach that is working for you?

 That is for a different forum my friend!

Post: 2% rule is bull

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Martin S.:

Do these 2% deals just not show up in sales records? Cuz I've been sitting on Zillow since it came to existence, and I do see that some houses sell for really low, but those can be usually attributed to being sold within family or friends or something, as there is no record of them being listed for sale, and anything that was ever listed for sale in a decent neighborhood and not require a complete tear down wouldn't come close to 2%.

I've searched, FL, CT, PA, NJ, NYC area, NC...

Martin, these are off-market deals like the ones I buy. We create processes and marketing channels (and no, I don't use bandit signs) so that the motivated sellers come to us. They never hit the MLS because they call us, we put them in contract and BUY them before they ever contact a real estate agent. This is why you only see them SOLD after we buy them and never see them FOR SALE.

So saying that these are "usually attributed to being sold within family and friends or something" is absolutely incorrect.

Post: 2% rule is bull

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Martin S.:

When people want to sell their house, they go to a real estate agent. How is marketing going to help me? I've always saw those "We Buy Houses, for CASH" signs as BS, just dirt bags trying to rip people off. I'm sure 99.9% of people willing to sell their house would list it on MLS. Wholesalers are probably those dirt bags, trying to rip the next person off, yes I've gotten a list of properties from a wholesaler, and I could have done much better on the MLS, their prices were just stupid.

Whats driving for dollars?

You're right, we're all dirt bags... dirt bags getting WAY better deals on houses then you are!

#ignorant