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All Forum Posts by: John Horner

John Horner has started 112 posts and replied 1113 times.

Post: Help! Where do i start?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

You want us to tell you what you should do with your life?  That would be like asking a stranger at a restaurant to order your food for you.  Everyone has different tastes, motivation, risk and pain tolerance, etc.  

You need to continue researching RE and find out what aspect of real estate is most attractive to you, then learn everything you can about it and start taking action!

Good Luck!

Post: This isn't easy...

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
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"If we wait until we're ready, we'll be waiting for the rest of our lives."

Get out there and take action.  You are a website designer, create a We Buy Houses website and start driving traffic.  Stop waiting for someone else to show you what to do. There is so much information out there you don't need someone to hold your hold.  Listen to Sean Terry's podcast, and Michael Quarles, and Mark Evans.  They all have great podcasts that are both educational and motivational.

You have the benefit of being ignorant, you don't know what you don't know, you won't be able to use that once you start making deals.

I screwed up the first 5 deals I did, but I still got them done.  Doing things wrong is how you learn to do things right.

Sorry not trying to be harsh, just sounds like you need a boost to get you going.

Post: Deal Analysis

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
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Depends.

Is the ARV from solid comps or something like zestimate or auditor?

In Columbus, anything in a neighborhood that has an ARV of $47k, I would have to be in contract for $10k or less, and that depends on how extensive repairs are.

Post: Hard money + refinance = free income property

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
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Originally posted by @Hattie Dizmond:

@John Horner 

Maybe you're right. That's why we're scheduling a consultation with Jerry Puckett. But, the other thing to remember is that I'm targeting areas with A++ schools. The median ARV in these areas is close to $250k. In several pockets of these areas there is <30-days of inventory with 30% appreciation over 2013. I'm not saying there aren't a few of those types of deals, even in my farm areas, but there just aren't a lot of people stupid enough to sell those properties below market, particularly not when there are realtors putting letters on their front doors every week.

Like I said, we're having a consultation about our marketing program, which is - admittedly - very young, since we just completed our first mailing and will be sending out the 2nd.  Both the DFW & Houston markets are huge and extremely diverse.  What could be possible in any particular pocket doesn't necessarily lend itself to the market as a whole or to another pocket.  I'm glad you both are finding these deals.

 Ok that makes complete sense now.  Yeah A++ neighborhoods don't make good rentals here in Ohio.  Even at a substantial discount the property tax would eat you alive and result in negative cash flow.

Post: Hard money + refinance = free income property

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @David J.:

@John Horner @Hattie Dizmond I find below market move in ready deals all the time in my market (Houston) through direct mail. Case in point, I just bought a house for 70k yesterday and listed it on the MLS last night and have an offer accepted for 98k. I spend a total of .4 hrs cleaning the exterior and sent professional cleaners over to give it a quick shine.

@Jon Holdman 

In my neck of the woods the appraisers need to see the sale price on the MLS to use a house as a comp. The sale price of the off-market deals I find from marketing do not get recorded. The deed is recorded so you can trace the transfer, but thereis no sales price recorded.

With that said,  my lender still only finances 85% of the lesser of cost or appraisal.

 Here you go Hattie, this is what I expected to hear from someone.

What kind of marketing are you doing when looking for leads?  Maybe you need to tweak your marketing a bit go get the deals you want!

Post: Looking for boots on the ground in Columbus, OH!

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

I am looking to partner with a current wholesaler in Columbus, OH.  Our marketing is providing us with more leads then we can work at this time. This person needs to be familiar with working leads in the rougher neighborhoods in Columbus.  We are paying for all of the marketing and pre-screening the leads as they come in.  There simply isn't enough time in the day for us to work all of the leads.

PM me if interested!

Post: People that do wholesaling, what's are 3 best sources of leads that you close on

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655

We only have 4 channels, so I thought I'd list them all in order!

1. Webform leads from our websites

2. Direct Mail to absentee owners

3. Craigslist

4. Other Wholesalers

Post: 1000$ bucks to market how would you use it?

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
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The first thing I did about a year ago was create a website on wix.com, it costs $25 setup and $10/month.  I then setup Google adwords and Bing adcenter to drive Pay per clicks to the site.  Within a month I had my first motivated seller, got it under contract and sold it to a cash buyer for a substantial profit.  At the same time I hand wrote 250 yellow letters and sent them out.  I did not get any deals from the letters but they provided a GREAT education in talking to sellers!

Post: Hard money + refinance = free income property

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Hattie Dizmond:

@John Horner 

"many move in ready's at well below market value"

That may be true in Ohio, but I guarantee you that's not the case in DFW.  With inventories where they area, the only "move in ready" property you're going to find substantially below market is going to be in an area no one wants to live.

Just sayin'  :-)

 So you've done your own marketing for motivated sellers and didn't find anything below market value?  

Post: Hard money + refinance = free income property

John Horner
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  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,158
  • Votes 655
Originally posted by @Jon Holdman:

...

3) Rehab is an essential component.  If you pay $80K for a move in ready property, then its probably worth $80K, not $110K.  Its buying a junky property and fixing it up where you add value.

I disagree with #3. If you only buy off the MLS, maybe. I only buy unlisted properties brought in by our marketing, and we have had many move in ready's at well below market value. Not many investors know it but $2,000 spent in marketing would easily save you $20k off the purchase price of an investment property.