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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Lefeuvre

Kevin Lefeuvre has started 58 posts and replied 553 times.

Post: Where to get STR Furnishing

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

I have furniture from 2 units for sale in LA if anyone interested.

Built one last year to complement airbnb/vrbo. Used owner-rez synced to airbnb and vrbo. Even redirected some of the inquiries received from airbnb/vrbo to book there. But what a mess. Not worth the time of building, marketing, maintaining, updating all the changes with airbnb/vrbo. Doesn't solve the problem of cancellations/chargebacks which are just transferred from airbnb/vrbo to a direct dealing with the banks or with Paypal.

Having a plan B which is LTR, (that almost any other STR owner has), I decided to switch to LTR. Still one unit left in STR as of now. It has the highest return. We'll see after covid era if things get back.

Reading today that airbnb fired 25% workforce, I think it was the right decision.

Post: VRBO late on payouts ... again!!

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Maria D.:

They now have pushed my Pay date to May 15th and in my Beta Reservations screen a message now asks me if I am willing to refund more money to that guest. I already talked with that guest before he made the choice to not pay his other payments. He also had no issue believe it or not waiting  till last minute to cancel. Many chances to cancel but rode it out so now I didn't book those dates so I do expect the full amount. I always tell my guests they need to cancel if they want but I do not do it for them. Looks like things are picking up again. May/June getting busy at discount rates

Which location? WHat type of STR?

1) Take airbnb to arbitration and get your money back. You can't sue airbnb but you can take them to arbitration. I did (for other matters), it took me 6 months, obviously some of my time and got them to settle at a good deal before the actual final audience. Settlement offer came from them! Please don't ask more I won't be able to share more. Read their terms about arbitration and take it from there. It costs you only $200. They have to pay and their pockets are deep enough to do so. Don't let go your hard earned money.

2) There is definitely room for a new OTA player but not now. I have been thinking of this since a couple years ago. I appreciate some hosts claiming they see the end of the tunnel, but I believe the industry is hurt for years, not just months, and hotels are better positioned to transit through this crisis than the unstable STR market composed of hosts with no reserve and not enough motivation to stay in this business. Some may say Airbnb started at time of crisis. Yes but not the same type of crisis. In 2008 was a crisis needing STR and there was no STR. Now there is a crisis NOT needing STR, and there are plenty of STRs.

3) If you are in a isolated mountain / vacation market with cheap RE assets where even with a low vacancy rate you are fine, and own 1 or 2 properties , I think you will be fine. All other cases are not sustainable IMO. If you scale the business you need to be in a more concentrated location and you are in trouble. Not even to mention the regulation in the cities which are trending to back to full ban.

4) Let's face it, STR BUSINESS FAILED TO BE A HIGH GROWTH, HIGHLY PROFITABLE! I started STR 5 years ago here in SOuthern California. Guests were high end, smart, educated, honest. A pleasure to interact with. 5 years later, in the same market I saw a total change in the profile of the guests, requiring more management time, less profitability and less fun. I decided to gradually switch to LTR and started doing so before COVID. I have one unit left now, vacant since 2 months that I think I will convert now without waiting summer. Not sure yet. As the leader in the space Airbnb has the biggest part of the responsibility for this failure by what I call mis-educating guests from the beginning. They thought they need to take the guests side to get volume (which is right). They chased higher volumes of guests instead of higher quality. Example: when they don't let the host ask for a deposit which is the basics of any rental (from a bike to a house), they allowed guests to believe they can do whatever they want. That culture was visible years before covid and predictable. I was not surprised at all with their policy during covid refunding guests.

Post: VRBO late on payouts ... again!!

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

Update: After raising the tone over the phone, I finally got billing department sending an explanation email earlier this week, basically saying they are unable to do better and hoping to pay in a couple weeks. Extract of their email:

"... We have found that the payment for this reservation is delayed due to the unprecedented and unusual volume of transactions to process in the context of COVID-19. Delays can currently take a few weeks.
We understand the expected date of disbursement shown in your dashboard may have been updating to a new date daily. We apologize for the confusion this has caused. We can see that it is eligible to get processed on [a date in May] due to the known delays and the cancellation.
Unfortunately, we are unable to expedite the processing of any payment. We hope that the situation will stabilize soon. I understand your frustration regarding the payout delay and sincerely appreciate your patience during this time....".


In other words:
- They admit they are aware they are lying by posting a date on the payout dashboard that they know they will not honor.

- They lie about the volume of transactions. What a BS. Everyone knows they have almost no transactions these days.

I could perfectly understand if they had written something telling honestly that due to the crisis, they have some cash issues, but they'll end up paying us and apologize, etc...but I have no tolerance for lies this big.

I guess they will got (or already got) their PPP loan which will indirectly ease the tension on cash they are suffering from, even though those funds are not supposed to be used to pay us, but since they used our funds to pay their charges (payroll is probably their largest line), with PPP they'll put back that cash to the hosts.

@Greg O'Brien and @Michael Plaks , thanks for your analysis. Now in practice, is it safe to consider that if the SE has separate business bank account, a weekly wire transfer from business to personal of $1923.07 will for sure solve the issue, regardless of the debate above? I mean it's not a big effort if it helps avoid losing $15,000 down the road.

Also, if a SE is using the $20k all for payroll, isn't it forgiven in full? It's not clear to me if it's forgiven 75% no matter what or it can be forgiven 100% if fully used for payroll. Isn't it too easy for SE to use it all for payroll anyway?

Post: VRBO late on payouts ... again!!

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Anand S.:

I had this issue with two bookings that were to be paid out the first week in April. Every day I checked, the payout date was moved to the current date. Finally this week they paid out both. Now I have 3 more payouts for this month that I'll probably have the same experience with. 

As for AirBnB, I have not seen anything in regards to the 25% payouts, and I've had over $100K in cancelled bookings. 

 Lucky you. No payout for me. 2 of my unpaid payouts are from March!!!

Originally posted by @John D.:

Fill out the EIDL application on the SBA website -- it's a short form, best to get it in and get in line, and they can follow-up with a request for more documentation later when more info is available.

The most popular program, the PPP, is only relevant if you have people on payroll.  If you are paying payroll/payroll taxes doesn't sound like it's applicable.

No longer John. Finished. Check here: 

https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans/coronavirus-relief-options/economic-injury-disaster-loan-emergency-advance

Notice: Lapse in Appropriations

SBA is unable to accept new applications at this time for the Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL)-COVID-19 related assistance program (including EIDL Advances) based on available appropriations funding.

Applicants who have already submitted their applications will continue to be processed on a first-come, first-served basis.

I applied for the 10k grant EIDL. Filed on 4/6/2020 . Got loan # after submission. No news since then. Not a single email. Nothing. It's supposed to be first come first served.

Has anyone here been luckier? Share the date you applied... Would be interesting to compare notes.

Post: Real Estate Broker PPP Application

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

Your lender is saying nonsense IMO. However if you are having a schedule E on your return with no schedule C then you get denied because it's not "Business Income" rather investment income.

Post: PPP rules for partnerships reversed on April 14

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

Chase sued for ignoring the self employed loans: 

USA TODAY: Chase and other big banks shuffled Paycheck Protection Program small business applications, lawsuit says.
https://www.usatoday.com/story...