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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Lefeuvre

Kevin Lefeuvre has started 58 posts and replied 553 times.

Post: PPP rules for partnerships reversed on April 14

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

@Michael Plaks I hope banks are being given some incentive, but even assuming they don't, how is it different for larger SBs? It's even worse for the banks (if they don't have incentives) when dealing with  a 200 headcount company who would get a loan of $4M if it's all salary and all forgiven. Right?

@Greg O'Brien yes that's what I saw somewhere as well. Not sure how they determined the 8/52 rule which basically means "we believe you have hard time for a few months, we give you a loan for 2 1/2 months coverage, but only forgive 2 months". 

Yeah , me too I am surprised to see new buyers interested in STR given the whole travel industry is in chaos if not collapse right now.

And yes there will always be some mountain or lake chalets working for STR but there is no way the occupation rate will be as high as before and due to the competition prices are down.

Post: Credit card charge back

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Rick Oaks:

Has anybody been getting charge backs on their credit card for the COVID-19 virus for Vrbo rentals?

Yes, just 2 weeks ago. But since I had denied them access to my bank account they couldn't take the funds. That's crazy policy, I don't think any host should accept that.

I have had 2 chargebacks on VRBO in the last 12 months, in both cases, my so-called Premier Partner Rep calls to threaten that they 'll take me off the platform if I don't sign their authorization to debit the account, I reply they can't since this was not in place when I first signed with the new CC company, and paid my annual fee, and no party to a contract can unilaterally change things.... And while the back and forth continues, they do the paperwork to fight the chargebacks, less waste of time for me. In both cases I have won (or they) and the guest lost. I don't know what they would do if I had lost. 

We pay them 6% plus annual fixed fee to take care of these things for documentation to be done with screenshots from their own platform and they have access to all the information, yet they want us to do the job and even take the risk. Not to mention giving open authorization to anyone to take whatever money from your bank account is just insane. I am sure they would lose in any court for abuse of power if they are sued on this.

Post: PPP rules for partnerships reversed on April 14

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391

@Michael Plaks thanks for further clarifying this. With the new bill hopefully finalized tomorrow, the PPP should be revived.

I'm curious, why do you predict that a lot of SE PPP loans will not be forgiven, assuming they use it for their personal income (aka salary) ?

Post: Has anyone applied for an SBA PPP or EIDL loan??

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
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Originally posted by @Lisa Gauff:

Thanks @Kevin DeVargas.  I've finished the article and appreciate your offer to help.... I found I had some friends who also applied. Good luck with your application!

Hi Lisa. What are your findings? A link to your article?

Post: PPP rules for partnerships reversed on April 14

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Greg O'Brien:

@Kevin Lefeuvre check out the latest Interim Final Rule.  It provides great examples.  We did a dozen or so for our clients last week. 

In general, you take your net earnings from SE from Schedule C, divide by 12 * 2.5.  A lot of caveats and other items, but that is the basic premise.  This is also capped at $100k  So if your net earnings on 2019 Schedule C were $120k, you'd only include the first $100k.  If you pay employees by W2, this can be added as well (with normal payroll costs define within). 

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/Interim-Final-Rule-Additional-Eligibility-Criteria-and-Requirements-for-Certain-Pledges-of-Loans.pdf?fbclid=IwAR35Rl3xCA7M43VREb9JKgeq4_UHYTgt79kjC6_5pF_c9vUrEOFi6Eb_Chk

The forgiveness rules are quite complex for SE and it appears that not 100% would be foriven since they use an "8/52" factor to determine forgiveness.

If you already applied, I'd wait until your banker review the app.  They will most likely ask you to revise. 

 Thanks Greg

Post: Do 1099 realtors qualify for the “PPP” government program

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Callum K.:

@Kevin DeVargas we received two PPP loans and both have minimum interest prepayment penalties.  It's not much, but it's definitely in our documentation.  I know there's a lot of room for interpretation from bank to bank so perhaps our lender is interpreting it differently than others.

 Callum thanks for the feedback. Do you have employees in the businesses that received funding or are they different businesses of yourself as self-employed?

Post: Anyone receive SBA or PPP money yet?

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
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I've got the impression that they have put the priority on the business headcount. They give big bucks to corporations with large headcount instead of "wasting" their time with smaller LLCs or even self-employed.

Originally posted by @Daniel Dietz:

Hello All, 

I am wondering if anyone can help me clarify this topic?

I have applied for the PPP Program for my 'day job' of being a remodeling contractor in a multi-member LLC (K-1), but have NOT hear anything back yet. We ARE under a 'shelter in place order' right now, so even IF I get those funds in the future, I will not 'be working for them' at this point.

So, not knowing IF or WHEN I might get those funds, am I able to collect unemployment in the meantime? I am NOT usually able to qualify in my state, but I do believe I would be eligible for the 'bonus $600 per week'.

If I file and get the unemployment, and THEN the PPP funds come through at some point, can i continue the unemployment since "I am not working" (being under the shelter in place order) of do I need to count the PPP payments as 'working income/wage'?

Thanks, Dan Dietz

 Applying doesn't mean receiving. After you apply for PPP, like any loan, you receive an offer that you can accept or refuse. So you better apply anywhere you qualify and decide later if they overlap or not and don't take the funds for the same thing twice.

Post: PPP rules for partnerships reversed on April 14

Kevin Lefeuvre#3 Coronavirus Conversation ContributorPosted
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 565
  • Votes 391
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

Today, 4/14/2020, the SBA issued their 3rd "Interim Final Rule" (what a name!) in 2 weeks, reversing the method of applying for PPP loans/grants for partnership.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/Interim-Final-Rule-Additional-Eligibility-Criteria-and-Requirements-for-Certain-Pledges-of-Loans.pdf

"...However, if you are a partner in a partnership, you may not submit a separate PPP loan application for yourself as a self-employed individual. Instead, the self-employment income of general active partners may be reported as a payroll cost, up to $100,000 annualized, on a PPP loan application filed by or on behalf of the partnership."


Too bad for those partnerships that already filed for PPP without including their active partners' compensation. We all thought it was the right procedure - until today. Oh well...

By the way, this same rule confirmed that PPP applications for self-employed investors must be based on their net income from 2019 Sch C. That part we sorta figured out before the official rule, but not the partnership rule.

 So how should a self employed have applied and how should have they provided their payroll especially since they don't usually use a formal payroll system?

And since there is no way to update an existing filing, how are they supposed to take into account the new guidelines?

What a mess!