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All Forum Posts by: Marc Rice

Marc Rice has started 3 posts and replied 1733 times.

Post: Househacking in high property tax areas, your thoughts?

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Quote from @Amber Moelter:

Hi all, I'm new to BP and REI. My spouse and I moved to Ohio last year and we're currently renting in Akron, with the goal to househack by the end of the lease, or sooner if we find the right property.

We've been going to duplex open houses in Cleveland & Akron and a few showings with our agent who has more experience in the Akron area, to learn about neighborhoods, price, quality, etc. Setting expectations. 

We're leaning toward Cleveland, gravitating to the Cleveland & Shaker Heights B neighborhoods, both for ourselves and for family/professional leaning tenants. I'm curious why those areas aren't recommended in the forum. Is it the high property taxes? Is it the POS? We've seen some lengthy POS with $15K+ escrows and we've seen others that will come with completed POS. We're incorporating the prop taxes & POS costs into our overall calculations.

Buy box:

Location:
Approx. 30 min drive to Boston Heights, for work
Neighborhoods: 
Decent walkability score - not far from shops/restaurants/trendy neighborhoods
Ideal tenants:
Close to hospitals/universities/schools for professionals/students/families
Budget: $175-250K - Buying w/conventional loan, 5% down/ approx 20K reno.
Property type: MFH 2-4 units - preferably side-by-side, with a yard we can fence for our dog
Units:
3+/1+ - better if 1.5/2 bath per unit
Timeline:
 Plan to live there for 2 years, but possibly only 1 year if we find another investment opportunity
Goal:
Focus on appreciation - would like to see cash flow in year 2-3 (the year we move out), including overhead (Vacancies, Maintenance, Utilities) and budgeting in PM if eventually we don't manage ourselves
Value add:
Opportunity for some forced appreciation, but not a full reno - cosmetic upgrades and updating kitchens/baths while we live in one unit. If vacant, upgrade the other unit before leasing. We have $20K for immediate reno, and would continue in our unit over time.
Parking:
2+ car garage (ideally 1 spot per unit)
Personal taste:
We gravitate to historical details (wood floor, built-ins, and curb appeal) and don't like flipped vibe, with LVP and grey paint. We'd paint, regardless, and prefer wood floor that may need refinishing. We tend to gravitate to long-term owner-occupied properties, which are overdue for aesthetic updating, but well cared
What else? What are we overlooking?

When looking at neighborhoods the main test for us is would we want to live there for 1-2 years? We're balancing areas that will see some development for appreciation, while also being decent enough to live there now and attract desirable tenants. Cleveland Heights so far has been checking those boxes with hospitals/universities. Shaker seems a bit more restrictive with POS and taxes, but more family-oriented for the schools. 

Thanks in advance for your feedback, for either advice on Cleveland neighborhoods or first time househacking, or anything else we might be overlooking.


 Cleveland is a good market and if you're in B class areas you'll generally have a better experience despite the lower cash flow. 

Just be cognizant of point of sale inspections on some of these neighborhoods and inevitable lead certs.

Post: I’ve now completed 1.5 evictions on medium term rentals, and I’m not changing a thing

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Quote from @Julie Gates:

Medium term rentals are the new darling of short term rentals. As a large chunk of the American workforce can now work from anywhere, investors are scrambling to provide great places for these digital nomads to explore a new city. As a property manager in Savannah, GA who has been hosting these guests for longer than 7 years, I’ve spoken publicly many times on the lack of concern about guests becoming squatters. Guests are paying for an entire month up front, not an easy task. Guests are rarely coming to party. They are working or they are retirees looking to have some fun. For years paying the bill wasn’t an issue.

However, as inventory has ballooned, prices have decreased. The increased frequency of these longer stays has brought with it increased issues. One of the biggest concerns for both the owner and the property manager like myself, is getting paid.

Many guests book for much longer than 30 nights. A travel nurse, for example, would typically stay 90 nights on a single contract. It is a great advantage to the guest and also the host to split the stay into several payments. Guests rarely have the entire amount ready to put down. Also, the home owner most likely has a mortgage and receiving a large amount of cash and then not spending it for 3 months can be more challenging than you’d think. I’ve been in this situation and with a growing portfolio and expenses, it’s hard to put money aside for two mortgage payments.

At Sid Was Here, my management company, we’ve always offered to let guests pay into the future for longer stays. This is very non traditional in the short term rental space, as all stays are paid in advance. The host knows they will get paid. Airbnb was the first of the OTA’s (Outside Travel Agents) to offer payments into the future for guests. This ballooned the amount of guests booking longer stays on their platform, and pushed them into being an industry leader in the medium term rental space.

My company has had a few struggles with payments, both with direct bookings and also for guests staying through AirBNB. When you have an AirBNB guest who hasn’t paid, you wake up one morning to a terrible message saying that AirBNB has failed to capture payment from guest Mr. X. They will continue trying to reach the guest for payment, but the host now has the right to cancel the stay without penalty and may remove the guest from the home. This is a nice way of saying, “Good morning, Julie. We tried, but you’re on your own with this Mr. X.” Thanks, AirBNB! These are dark moments for hosts and property managers alike. In AirBNB’s defense, I also get the same drop in blood pressure when someone on my team tells me that a direct booking guest, Mr. X’s card was declined and he is now late on a payment for his medium term rental. At the end of the day, the problems are the same, just on different platforms. If you think that bad guests are only on one platform, you are dead wrong and that’s the truth.

Enter in the evictions. I want to say truthfully that these are extremely rare. We have hosted thousands of medium term rental guests and we have completed the eviction on all of 1 guest. That statistic isn’t bad in my opinion. The second one that I would call half of an eviction was a guest who kept blowing us off on making the payment that was getting later by the day. I was having nightmares about calling the owner. No one wants to hear this and I don’t want him to ever think that we haven’t done everything in our power to get the money out of the guest. In Georgia, we send what’s called a Quit or Pay notice of eviction. This is an official letter that the eviction process has begun and they need to either pay or leave the property. This happens on day 7 after the payment is due, and notifies the guest that we will be filing an eviction in the court system on day 30. Our best leverage is that this will place the word eviction onto their credit history, which is huge as you can imagine. The second time around, the Quit or Pay notice worked and the guest was able to produce a credit card that would take the payment. The first guest that I mentioned went through the full eviction process and left before being removed by the sheriff.

Since I’m telling stories here, I’ll also tell you that I am one of the rare hosts who has successfully evicted a short term rental guest as well. We had a guest stay for a few nights, then cancel the stay early through AirBNB. For short term rental booking that is cancelled early, the guest is to leave on the day of cancellation and the host will not get paid for any additional nights. In this case, the guest refused to leave. He had some colorful language and quite a few magical reasons that he didn’t have to leave. I knew the law and used it to my advantage. A short term rental is technically a hotel and falls under hotel laws. I called the City of Savannah Police Department and explained who I was. I told them that I had a guest in a licensed short term rental who was refusing to leave. Two deputies were there within 30 minutes and removed the guest for me. I had a front row seat to some drama and learned a few new words that day, but the guest was removed with no damage to the home. The best thing that I did that day was let the officers do their job and they came through for me beautifully. I showed them all paperwork and explained the situation and they took it from there. Was it fun? Absolutely not. Did I get a great story out of it? Unequivocally yes.

These situations weren’t fun, but keep in mind that I have successfully hosted thousands of guests in these homes with great success. Like the review system that we all despise, most guests are great and you’ll never hear about them. It’s only the crazy ones that make for great stories. Short term and medium term rentals have been a huge part of my portfolio growth and I have no intention of stopping my work in this space, despite these situations. Real estate is a business and bad things are going to happen when you are going big. Put your head down and get through them. Know that people like me will be here to support you on platforms like Bigger Pockets whenever you do hit an issue like these.

@Julie Gates I wanted to recirculate this thread to see if you had any advice/tips on how you've been able to keep such a low eviction rate in the MTR space? Do you do background/credit score checks on all applicants and have minimums? Leases? ID verification?

We have some more affordable studio units that I fear will attract the budget concise crowd which could get some guests not able to afford the next 30 days payments and have to be evicted.

Would appreciate any advice!

Post: First time REI out of state investor

Marc Rice
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Quote from @Byoung Bae:

I have a goal to buy my first investment real estate property in 2025. I live in CA and own my primary residence. I am not interested house-hacking. Primary goal for investing in real estate to grow my wealth (not to replace my W2 job).

As the first investment, I want a safer investment with a goal to break even in 12 months and focus on learning & long-term cashflow/appreciation. My budget for the first property is $50k ~ $100k. With this budget and my goals, I ruled out CA and looking out of state. With my budget and goals, I am looking at SFR in Indianapolis and Michigan (Detroit area, Lansing). Any suggestions on how to get started, some risks to be aware of?

I am reading BiggerPockets forum and I get a lot of information, with somewhat divergent recommendations. Some specific questions I have:

1. What should be the number first step after picking a market? I am looking at listings online, running my numbers. Many of them barely hit the "1% rule".

2. Assuming I purchased a property, how do I find renters? Do I lean 100% on the property manager to find renters? How do I know the vacancy rate / how long it took to find renters for comparable properties? This would be one of the most important inputs for "running your numbers".

3. Many suggest to "build a team" for out of state investor (e.g. realor, PM, handyman, etc). How do I go about doing this? Who is the most important member/first I should focus on?

Any other generic recommendation / tips are appreciated. Thanks in advance!


1. Most high growth markets like Indianapolis or Columbus won't hit 1% rules in good areas. You're trading high growth/stability for lack of cash flow.

2. You'd use a trusted property manager, usually referred from your rockstar investor friendly agent. Average vacancy rate is probably 5-8% depending on how good your manager is and if they pre-lease before the tenants move out or not. You can look up comparable rents on active zillow for rent listings or on Rentometer.

3. You can use the BP agent finder or ask on here for a good realtor referral. Usually they have good PM, contractors, and lenders for you to use.

Overall the biggest recommendation is to narrow on a market and just commit to buying a deal there and learning.


Post: I'm looking for a team for my Investment Properties in Seattle

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Quote from @Muhammad Danish:

Hey everyone, I'm Danish Mohamed. I am new to BiggerPockets, and I'm also new to real estate investing in the United States of America. I came to the United States from my old country, Vietnam, around four years ago, and I am blessed to have some extra funds to invest in the BRRRR strategy of real estate in the Seattle and its surrounding markets.

At first, I initially looked at the Cleveland market as well, but the anxiety built up in me because of the fact that I'm out of state, and obviously, Washington and Ohio are not really close. And especially for my first deal in the United States, it made me anxious.

(I would love to hear some professionals give me unbiased perspective between Seattle and Cleveland market)

So I decided, you know what, I will try to stick to the Seattle market where I am staying to see how it goes.

I would love to build a team or network with real estate professionals in the Seattle area, like a real estate agent who knows a lot about investment properties and the nuances of the Seattle market.

Even though I have done my homework for the past two years, I also want to connect with a property manager who specializes in Section 8 rentals because I'm planning to rent it out to Section 8 after I rehab the property.

Additionally, I would love to connect with some hard money lenders in the area or those who have a footprint in Seattle, Washington, that are investor and beginner-friendly.

Although this is my first time doing deals in the US, when I was in Vietnam, I did something quite similar to the BRRRR strategy, but in my home country. And that's also where I get the fund from, liquidating the one in Vietnam :)

Obviously, the market nuances are different, and everything is different, but I would say that I do have some indirect experience, and I just want to get my first deal done in the United States.

Most Importantly, I also want to connect with a general contractor who specializes in rehabbing.

So yeah, I would love to connect with people in those professions. Feel free to reach out to me directly instead of posting if you would love to network.

Thanks, all.


 I would say you can have great results investing in your local market and should always aim to do a 1-4 unit house hack every year for a few years. That will yield great results and learning comfort.

In regards to investing out of state, I find you'll have the least headaches if you're investing in B class or better neighborhoods, but the issue is those rarely cash flow after paying your property manager. Most clients buy in the B-/C+/C class areas and some have issues with tenant evictions and expensive turnovers which is part of that C class risk.

Ultimately it depends on your goals and what market can best get you there. With a trusted investor friendly agent, they should be able to lead you to rockstar property managers, contractors, and lenders.

Post: I am searching looking for a real estate investment property

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Quote from @Voley Martin:

I am a new pro member. My plan is to buy something in the next 90 days to a year that I can cash flow at least $100 a month after all expenses are accounted for; i.e. property management, taxes, insurance, cap expendetures etc. What are some of the best markets to get started in?  colombus/springfield OH seems at least somewhat promising to me. 


 Investing in C class 2-4 units in Columbus or in Dayton B-C class 1-4 units can hit those targets.

Post: Anyone have experience with Section 8?

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Quote from @Marcos De la Cruz:

Anyone have experience with multi family section 8?


 Dayton is a great market for multi-family. Generally you can hit 1.25-1.5% rules on rent there with it. You'll need a good local management company.

Post: Agents Specialized in Finding STR

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Quote from @Kwanza P.:

Hi,

I'm looking for recommendations for agents you've worked with who specialize in finding STR (or MTR) properties. So they're not just a realtor, but they have a track record in identifying markets (they know the regs) and properties.

I’m especially interested in connecting with anyone with experience in:

-California, Ohio, Alabama, Texas, Washington DC.

Thanks!
Kwanza 


 I can assist in the Ohio market - Columbus would be the best due to the traveling nurses and construction contractors here.

Post: Recommendations for first time out of state investing

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Quote from @Zeina Awad:

Hello BP team, 

          How are you all? Hope all is well. I am looking to invest outside of California for the first time. I am looking to rent and hold (purchase a rental income property). Any recommendations for which cities and dates to look into as a starter? Would appreciate the insure. 


 It really depends on what you're looking for. You can invest in virtually any state and find "a market" that fits your criteria. A lot of investors like Ohio due to the high cash flow markets of Cleveland/Dayton or the solid appreciation markets of Columbus. There's a lot of good 1-4 units out here in Ohio and its the 7th largest GDP by state that continues to grow.

Post: Location considerations for BRRRR

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Quote from @Matt Ricky:

Hey! I have a pretty large capital ready to step into this game,

I am in big conflicts either choosing Ohio(Cincinnati/Dayton) or Texas(Houston) for BRRRR method,

I read a lot about Ohio, only positive stuff. But I am sure I can make it even in Texas. How big impact is that? For BRRRR, or flips in general.

Tlooking also to have sort of lifestyle and not living in cold 1/4 of the year with snow.


the question, is there is big differences between markets? 
should I consider heavily Ohio or you can make it pretty much any place, or Texas in general

Thanks!!!


I can only speak for Dayton - there's a lot of opportunities here with a market that has high rents relative to the prices. There are a lot of good 1-4 unit BRRRR opportunities here too with also good General Contractors coming from Columbus or Dayton to work on the projects.

Post: Trying to switch property managers but existing one won't respond

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Quote from @Drew Clayton:

I need advice on how to handle the transition my long-term rentals to a new property manager when my current one won't return calls, emails, or texts. 

After a year+ of unreliable management, I finally decided to switch to a new company. The current PM had delayed two months of rent payments with all kinds of excuses (that is when he did reply, which was rare). Per our signed agreement, I gave him 30 days notice of termination of his services via email and asked him to remit all outstanding payments and documentation (he hasn't delivered an owner's statement since June of '24) and assist with the transition to the new PM company.

He responded to one text a couple weeks ago when I asked for an update on the transition saying he hadn't received notice from me or heard from the new PM. The new PM has repeatedly tried to contact him with no response. He's also contacted the tenants with notice of management change, but they say they won't work with him without notice from the current PM to confirm it's legitimate. 

I only have the lease and contact info for one of my two properties. The PM never sent me the other, despite numerous promises to do so, so I don't know the name or contact info of that tenant. 

I'm an out-of-state owner. The properties are in Columbus, Ohio. 

The 30 days of notice ends on Feb 27. I need to get this existing company out of my life. 

Open to all suggestions.


 Very unfortunate. Use an attorney for added pressure. But get your new property manager going asap so not to delay. I'd give your new PM the contact info of the old PM to have them get the keys/leases/tenant contact info and to take over.