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All Forum Posts by: Matt Motil

Matt Motil has started 89 posts and replied 1669 times.

Post: Best Practices for Maintaining the Corporate Veil of an LLC

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

Piercing the corporate veil typically happens or is attempted when there is a legal reason to try and do so. That being said, the most typical case I have heard of when this is attempted is because someone wants to sue and the LLC doesn't have the assets to cover the claim so they attempt to go after the partners. Having an umbrella policy in place to cover the LLC is a very cheap insurance policy to help avoid this attempt. All of the suggestions previously described are great and should be followed as well.

Post: New guy, needs a question answered

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

Sounds like you heard/read that in a book. That's a lot of work, and you do need actual addresses. Depending on where you are looking, this information is available online through the county recorder's office. My suggestion would be to get on a site like Zillow or Trulia, focus on a specific area where you are looking, and start by filtering by recently sold properties. Create an address list and then in many cases you can directly access the tax records directly from that site (Zillow/Trulia/etc). In other cases, you'll need to do a property search using the address on the county's website. There is work involved and in many cases you'll only come up with mortgage companies and not individuals or entities, but no work/no reward! 

Post: Newbie from SW Ohio

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

I agree with @Theo Hicks! Take the plunge and rent it out! If you're not sure if the numbers will work, use the analyzer here at BP to see if the numbers shake out. Or just post up what your current mortgage payment, taxes, insurance, etc are, stats of the house and where it's located and we can help you too. 

Post: New from Ohio

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

@Rachelle Ford Welcome to BP! 

Always nice to see more Ohio people here! I went to UT for my undergrad years ago. As you figure out your purchase of your own home, why not make it your first investment property as well ;) Loads of great info, support, and strategies here. Feel free to reach out and ask questions. Everyone is here to help! 

Post: New to BP from Columbus, ohio

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

Hi @Stefanie King

Welcome to BP! Meet up is a good place to look for real estate groups in your area. It looks like Kevin has provided you an option too. This is a great community. Feel free to jump in and don't be afraid to ask questions!

Post: Selling flip in Ohio advice needed

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

@Greg DuPan I can send you a message for the real estate lawyer I use. Their office deals with multiple types of law and they specialize in business, real estate, tax, and construction law. 

@Timothy Murphy III I have not had it challenged in court (knock on wood), but the legal structure of a separate lease and purchase option protects you as the owner in the case where a tenant would feel they are entitled to anything what-so-ever. They first and foremost are a tenant, and nothing more. They have purchased an option which allows them to buy the property before anyone else in a designated period of time. That's all. They aren't forced to buy, and they do not become the buyer until they close escrow. My option and lease does not allow for any of the rent to be used and/or applied to a purchase down payment. 

The larger amount of risk in these transactions comes when you reach the end of the option and/or lease term and the tenant is not in a position to purchase the property. You now have a tenant who is at risk of losing their option (and their money) and they are living in your house. This can create a difficult situation where you have a pissed off tenant who can create a bad situation. 

My risk mitigation in these situations has to always go into deals with people that actually have a chance of buying the property some day. If you are a sleeze-ball and put people into your properties that will never qualify for a loan, then you're asking for trouble. When someone approaches me about doing a lease/option contract on one of my rentals, I set them up with my mortgage broker and have them work together to determine when they think they will have their credit repaired to the point where they can purchase. I then add a year or 18 months to the option as a buffer to protect the buyer (any myself from an angry tenant going rampant in my house). I explain that the longer term is there to protect them and they always agree and understand. 

My option contract is structured in a way where they have to have a lease that is not in default. This helps to keep the tenant current, and I'm never worrying about collecting rents. I also put an annual renewal required in the option. The homes that I have done this on are typically $200k+ so I'm not interested in holding a property in option for $3000. If I'm going to lock in a sale price 3-5 years down the road, I want to make sure a few things (1) I'm getting paid to lock that price and (2) the people will actually be able to buy it. So my option typically requires that they put more money down to keep the option current at the start of each new lease-year. Some people balk at this, but if you're serious about buying the property, you're going to need more than a $3000 down payment, and this forces them to save the money (in escrow with me). 

Sorry for the long post, but wanted to give all the details. 

I don't like land contracts for the 5/20% rule. Stick to lease purchase and make sure your risk is mitigated going in. 

Post: Selling flip in Ohio advice needed

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

What risks are you referring to? I would do a separate lease and a separate purchase option. The option is only good if the lease is in good standing. You make sure the lease covers your costs+ and get at least 3-5k for the option. I have done this multiple times in Ohio and never had issues. 

Post: Would you invest in this submarket of Toledo, OH?

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

I did my undergrad at The University of Toledo and my parents lived near Holland for years. I'd grade it a little higher than C+/B-. NW Ohio is considered a slower economy, and I always joked that the Toledo area is really an extended suburb of Detroit (I'm kidding - kind of). 

Post: Investing in Cleveland, OH

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

Yes, the neighborhoods you listed are seeing a resurgence in young professionals drawn to those areas, so they are growing and you can find nice opportunities, but with caution because you can find a nice street that has been redone, and one street over it's sketchy. Best to make a trip to town and see things first hand and not just invest in C-F areas sight-unseen. 

Post: Investing in Cleveland, OH

Matt MotilPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 1,750
  • Votes 880

yep, that one 👆🏼 thanks!