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All Forum Posts by: Nick Gerli

Nick Gerli has started 17 posts and replied 66 times.

Post: Housing Shortage...or Housing Bubble? How to Tell the Difference

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Taylor L.:

Great guidance. The question about 'how to find market statistics' comes up very frequently, and the honest truth is government sources that you have to compile for yourself.

Thanks Taylor!

It's amazing how much information is actually out there between the Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics. It just takes a bit of a learning curve to find and use the data. That's what I specialize in doing. 
 

Post: Housing Shortage...or Housing Bubble? How to Tell the Difference

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77

The terms Housing Shortage and Housing Bubble get thrown around a lot. And for good reason. Areas with a Shortage tend to see higher rent and value growth. Areas in a Bubble situation tend to see slowing growth and eventually a loss of rents/value.

So it's important to be able to understand the dynamics in your market. Knowing what markets are facing a Shortage or Bubble scenario can lead to much better decisions on where and when to buy. 

Fortunately, you can use publicly available data through the Census to understand these dynamics. 

First Step:

-Gather data on new single-family and multifamily permitting in your market. You can do this through the US Census Bureau, which tracks monthly permitting across metros. https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/

-Aggregate this data historically and see how your market's permitting situation has changed over the last 10-15 years. https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/msaannual.html You'll be shocked to see how much things have shifted in certain markets.

-The more permitting goes up, the more likely a Bubble situation is developing. The more permitting goes down or stays the same, the more likely a Shortage situation is developing. Looking at Permit data is great because it also gives you a window into what the supply situation looks like in 12-24 months, since that's how long it takes to usually complete the units after a permit is pulled.

Second step:

-Layer on data on Population/Household growth in your market to see how it compares to permitting. This is a bit trickier to pull. Head to the Data.Census link below and go to "Filter" then "Geography" then "Metropolitan Statistical Area" and pick yours. https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=households&tid=ACSST1Y2019.S1101&hidePreview=false

-If Household Formation greatly exceeds permitting over the previous five years (as is the case in a place like Phoenix), then it's a Housing Shortage. Expect higher rent and value growth. If Permitting greatly exceeds Household Formation, then you're more likely in a Bubble scenario, where the supply of new housing is exceeding demand. Expect lower, and perhaps negative, rent and value growth.

I put together a "how-to" video for how to use this data here if you would like more information.

Post: All-Star Markets during COVID

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Mason Fiascone:

Hey @Nick Gerli, where are you pulling this data from? No surprise to see Eastern Washington (Spokane) performing so well, but want to dig deeper if possible. Thanks!

That's a great question, Mason!

I pulled this data from Zillow. They have a great data section where you can analyze values and rents across the country. 

https://www.zillow.com/researc...

Post: All-Star Markets during COVID

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77

Residential real estate has held up surprisingly well during the COVID pandemic. But five markets have performed especially well. I call these the "All-Star Markets". 

They are the only ones to have eclipsed 8% value growth AND 5% rent growth over the last 12 months. 

It's a surprising list:

Syracuse (+8% Value / +7% Rent)
Spokane (+12% / +6%)
Tucson (+10% / +5%)
Phoenix (+12% / +6%)
Memphis (+9% / +7%)

Perhaps Phoenix and Spokane make some sense, but the others left me head scratching. They definitely aren't topping the list of hot markets that people talk about.

I'd love to hear some on the ground perspective from those owning and working deals in these markets. Are you seeing what the data is saying?

Post: Rental Property in Las Vegas

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77

@Walter Antonio For rentals I typically like areas that have:

1) Strong income growth

2) High millennial presence

3) Existing base of rental demand.

Below are the Vegas ZIPs that meet those criteria.

You seem to be onto something with 89138. 

Post: Which Markets are Oversupplied?

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Alex Deacon:

@nick 

@Nick Gerli all data is good to look over and consider but all of it is irrelevant if you don't know what you are doing. I dont know your experience level but consider working on raising your real estate IQ. Also if just starting out I would buy in the neighborhood thats close to you if thats at all possible. I know some areas are so expensive. I am in the Pittsburgh Market and its stable as can be. There is zero population growth here and the rental demand is good. That doesn't mean you should invest here. You can make bad choices here as you can in any market. I would also try to get a good mentor once you do find an area you want to focus on. Someone who does well in that specific market is ideal

Thanks for the comment, Alex.

You are right - real estate is local and ultimately success comes down to finding the right property and managing it well. I'm certainly not advocating that anyone in Austin invest in Pittsburgh, or vice versa, because of this data. 

Post: Which Markets are Oversupplied?

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Ericka Williams:

i live in austin @Nick Gerli we need MORE inventory. We have about 157 people moving a day, with more and more companies relocating I have a feeling that number will increase. plus our suburbs rock round, pflugerville are some of the fastest growing cities in USA. 

I agree Ericka! Austin does need more housing to account for that growth. 

And it will most certainly get it. The Austin metro (which includes the suburbs you mentioned) is permitting more new housing units than any other metro area in the country (over 4% of existing supply in 2020).

Post: Which Markets are Oversupplied?

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Marcus Geiser:

Keep in mind the Pittsburgh investment area includes the surrounding counties. There is a steady amount of new homes being built in the suburbs. Check out Ryan Homes and Maronda Homes. Once you get out of Allegheny County people are commuting from Cranberry Township, South Hills, east in Murrysville, Penn Township. Those areas have a tremendous amount of new growth. We built decks on those new homes for years and the work never stopped. It is what also makes flipping in those areas attractive. If anyone wants to come here and see the area DM me I would be glad to show you my city. Always looking of new connections and JV partners.

Thanks for the comment, Marcus!

The figures presented in this thread are all "Metro Level" and include the following counties for Pittsburgh - Allegheny, Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington, and Westmoreland. 
 

Post: Which Markets are Oversupplied?

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77

@Anthony Angotti

I think some of these markets do have the growth to absorb the permit supply. But my question would be:  what does appreciation look like? It's going to be hard to achieve the appreciation rates of years past when growing supply at 3-4% per year.  

Pittsburgh is an interesting market. It's in negative population growth territory but has so little new supply that it experiences strong rent growth in a lot of markets. I like Shadyside/East Liberty in particular. 

Post: Which Markets are Oversupplied?

Nick GerliPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Are you giving enough weight to population, population trends and income levels/trends in those areas you are studying supply in? Those permit charts don't mean much in that simple of a vacuum. 

Consider the Ghost Cities in China. Turns out money comes from people, not bricks. 

That's very true. It's important to compare permitting to population and household growth. Look up a couple posts to see those comparisons in Columbus and Nashville.