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All Forum Posts by: Peter Walther

Peter Walther has started 32 posts and replied 1658 times.

Post: The $500K Sale That Almost Died

Peter WaltherPosted
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  • Winter Springs, FL
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Quote from @Bruce D. Kowal:

Thanks Peter

 Any time

Post: The $500K Sale That Almost Died

Peter WaltherPosted
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I often cleaned up a title insurance claim resulting from a missed IRS lien by demonstrating to the IRS the seller didn't receive any proceeds and having them issue a release for the property.  Of course, the taxpayer still owes the IRS the money.

Post: Title company costs

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Tom Gimer:

@Ken M. If you're referring to opening a purchase order with a title company and then declining owner's title insurance at the 11th hour... that should quickly get you relegated to second tier status as a client.

Title companies don't make money on title searches... they make money on title insurance premiums. And any buyer who thinks fraud or forgery or many other common sources of title claims will be apparent from a title report OR that a loan policy will protect them down the line in the event of a title defect, this is not a client most title companies want to retain. When the eventual defect arises and they find out they made a huge mistake in declining owners coverage, they raise holy hell.

No, what I am talking about is a quick, non committal search to see if the property is worth pursuing. Something that would not clear title. 

Keep in mind, I only buy "off market" so the property is not on the MLS.

For the MLS, I make the assumption that every real estate agent has done their job and made sure that a property on the MLS will "clear title". ( obviously that is not what happens) but I'm not an agent, average or otherwise. I just know from experience, bad titles don't close.

I want to know in advance, that what I spend my time on, matters.

For instance a property where the "seller" isn't on title, the property has a lis pendens, or is currently in probate or has a foreclosure sale date set for this week, there's an unrevealed person on title, a previous quit claim transfer that might be a problem.

There's really no point in having a title company do a full report if a quick look tells us it won't close. The title company decides what they will insure, so my guess is they would want me to know if it's a "no go", too; before I order, then cancel a transaction. 


 If bad titles didn't close, I wouldn't have had a job cleaning them up for thirty years.

Post: Executing deal on condemned property - how to do it?

Peter WaltherPosted
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I agree with Tom, if you and your lender know about the condemnation notice and any notices of violation, the title underwriter should approve issuing the policy with an exception for them.

Post: Title company costs

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Peter Walther:
Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Peter Walther:

Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount.  The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate.  Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.

Just curious, does a Title company get bothered over an investor ordering a Title Report only and not actually buying Title Insurance? 


I never worked on the agent side of the relationship, just the underwriter, so I can't be certain, but I believe that if it's a client they've done business with before and expect to again they're fine with it.  Keep in mind that a title report is different than a title commitment and I believe that an agent would expect to be paid if a commitment is issued but the transaction doesn't close.

Thanks.

 Sure thing

Post: Title company costs

Peter WaltherPosted
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  • Winter Springs, FL
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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Peter Walther:

Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount.  The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate.  Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.

Just curious, does a Title company get bothered over an investor ordering a Title Report only and not actually buying Title Insurance? 


I never worked on the agent side of the relationship, just the underwriter, so I can't be certain, but I believe that if it's a client they've done business with before and expect to again they're fine with it.  Keep in mind that a title report is different than a title commitment and I believe that an agent would expect to be paid if a commitment is issued but the transaction doesn't close.

Post: Title company costs

Peter WaltherPosted
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  • Winter Springs, FL
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Title insurance premiums are promulgated by the state in Florida so every agent will charge the same amount.  The associated closing costs vary so talking with a title agent in the county where the property is should give you a good estimate.  Sellers generally pay for the owner's title policy with the buyer paying for the lender's policy if there's a mortgage though many flipper/rehabbers offer to pay all closing costs as an incentive to the seller.

Quote from @Axel Scaggs:
Quote from @Peter Walther:

I believe zoning matters are excluded from coverage in most standard title policies but there may be some coverage if you purchased a Homeowner's form policy.  Even then there may not be coverage unless the city forces you to remove the improvement.  I suggest you submit a claim to the insurer and see what they say.  The worst they can do is deny coverage.

On the seller disclosure, they checked "No" under "governmental ordinances affecting the condition or use of the Property." Would this not need to be disclosed? I used a realtor, purchased title insurance, had an inspection, received a seller disclosure, spoke with the seller's agent. 
I'm just baffled that I wasn't informed by anyone.

I suspect you're assuming the seller knew about the change in zoning which may not be true.  In any case, if I were the seller I'd ask why you as buyer didn't investigate the current zoning.  Have you checked to see what the value of the property is zoned as commercial?  Perhaps the value is more than zoned as residential.  Generally, isn't property used as residential worth less if it is in the middle of commercially zoned property?

I believe zoning matters are excluded from coverage in most standard title policies but there may be some coverage if you purchased a Homeowner's form policy.  Even then there may not be coverage unless the city forces you to remove the improvement.  I suggest you submit a claim to the insurer and see what they say.  The worst they can do is deny coverage.

Post: Purchasing the company (LLC or Corporation) that holds the property

Peter WaltherPosted
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Quote from @Stuart Udis:

I've sold membership interest and admitted members into LLC's (normally for vertical development phases of projects after completing entitlements). I've also purchased membership interest in an LLC, but never acquired an LLC that's the deed holder of real estate. In my market there are transfer tax obligations. Your initial posts suggested there is no need for title insurance, recommended taking over predecessor bank accounts, rely on predecessor operating agreements. There's a lot of impressionable viewers of these forums and while there may be cost savings associated with the steps you outlined, there are inherent risks I don't believe were adequately disclosed.


I suspect that a buyer of an interest in an LLC would not be able to purchase a title insurance policy since a member of an LLC does not have an insurable interest in the property, only the LLC does. Now if the LLC is an insured under an existing policy one might be able to purchase an endorsement to the policy moving the effective date through the date of the purchase, but keep in mind, the policy probably excludes acts of the insured, so if the title search misses a defect of lien, say a mortgage created by the LLC and not disclosed by the seller of the LLC interest, any loss would probably not be covered.

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