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All Forum Posts by: Ray S.

Ray S. has started 33 posts and replied 122 times.

Post: Where to keep cash on the sidelines?

Ray S.Posted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:

American Express High Yield Savings Account paying around 2%.

Thanks. 2% (1.9% currently) isn't bad at all for a savings account. There's no minimum hold period? And you can transfer your money out within days?

Post: Where to keep cash on the sidelines?

Ray S.Posted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @James Mc Ree:

I use a REIT fund investment to put the money to work in real estate until I use it to buy my real estate. I've also used a diversified stock fund depending on my feelings on the stock market at the time. My operational cash is in a money market and self-managed escrow is in a diversified bond fund.

The main downside I see with using funds other than a money market is transactions generate short term capital gain taxes (hopefully) or losses if the price drops.  Use a money market fund if you can't tolerate that.

I bought some REITs a while back. They had good dividends but the prices were volatile, so they weren't very liquid because I didn't want to take the money out when the fund was down. Are there any you recommend that are very stable and offer decent returns? Which bond fund do you buy too? Thanks 

Post: Where to keep cash on the sidelines?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
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Where does everyone store the cash they keep on the sidelines while you're waiting to put it to work? This would be money that I wouldn't want to risk losing. What would be the highest return available that provided the least amount of risk with the most liquidity? Aside from leaving it in a money market are there places you can put it that will at least make something, even if it's a small return? I usually stick it in bonds, but the bond market looks a little more risky right now. 

Thanks

Post: Fourplex investing with an impending recession?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
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People say there's going to be a recession every year. I think now I've been hearing it more than ever in recent history though. The sentiment alone may trigger one, as more people are starting to get cautions in anticipation one is coming and cut back their purchasing. For me the property prices don't make any sense anymore in my area. You can't cashflow a 4-5 cap multifamily unless you own most or all of it. And with a condo you could own it outright and still lose money if you rent it. So if a recession came along and rents stagnated or went down, and the occupancy rate went down it would perform pretty poorly, not to mention the loss of value. It's a different story in other parts of the country. For me I'm not buying right now. Even if we sidestep a recession in the short term, it's coming and I'm going to be patient and see if prices pull back so I can get in then. If it never comes, then I'll just never own in my area and start looking into places where I can make money. 

Post: Selling multifamily, what to do next?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
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  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Michael Ealy:
Originally posted by @Ray S.:

I bought my multifamily as a short sale, added value, and can cash out now with some good profit. The property values are topping in the area and starting to see a decline, and I am not seeing rental prices or demand increase over the years. It's also in a flood zone and the insurance keeps shooting higher each year. It's about a 5 cap now. Ideally I want to 1031 exchange it. I own it 100%. Do I go bigger and take on some debt? Find a higher cap rate property? Break it up into 2 or more properties? Move to short term rentals? Move the profits to an OZ fund and then keep the rest of the cash on the side until a good opportunity or pullback comes? Any other suggestions?

Thanks 

 Ray, the answer to your question is it depends.

It depends on YOU, your investment goals and your time horizon.

IF you want to continue ACTIVELY investing and you want to increase your cashflow, then do a 1031 exchange with a bigger property with more debt - and more cashflow.

If you want to invest more PASSIVELY and you don't want to pay the taxes on the gain, you can do a 1031 exchange through a DST (Delaware Statutory Trust). I like medical buildings given the ageing population with Fortune 500 tenants.

I want to stay in the game. I have the flexibility to be an active investor, but if I'm putting in time I want to get a better return than 5%. My current place isn't too much work, but it's more than I feel I should be doing for that kind of return. Sure my place could appreciate dramatically in the next few years, but could also plummet or just stay stagnant, so really want to shoot for higher cashflow. So I'm looking for ideas where I could really boost my earnings by being even more hands on and/or taking on more debit, another area, type of property, ect.  Or if there are also good options for better cash flow in a less hands on investment. 

What would be some options for better returns that are more passive or more hands on? And if I wanted to be really involved, what would be my best option to get the most gains?

Thanks

Post: Trying to time the market?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Brant Richardson:

Why are you "already selling a property now"?

Right now I feel like I would need to stretch my parameters and settle for a barely okay deal to buy another unit.  With the possibility of a down turn I want a solidly good deal.  I plan to hold out for the cycle to turn unless I am surprised by a good deal.  So my real estate investing is stalled for the moment.  If the economy cycles every 8-10 years, its time.  This last week in particular the stock market has been very volatile which probably means nothing but makes me a little nervous.     I'm not worried enough to start selling off the real estate portfolio but my cash is waiting for an opportunity and I have a couple units that are free and clear waiting to be refinanced, quite a bit of opportunity sitting dormant.  I have been expecting the stock market to drop for over three years so obviously my crystal ball does not work.  

  If I added in the need to avoid taxes with a 1031 it would shift my need for a really good deal a little further toward settling for an okay deal, just run your number to figure out how much. 

It's in a flood zone. Flood insurance keeps skyrocketing but rents aren't going up. Lots of competing rental inventory popping up. It's a little under a 5 cap. Property values have been softening. Thinking it may be time to cash out and look for better opportunities or move to cash. 

Post: Trying to time the market?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Brian Van Pelt:

@Ray S.

At the bottom of the last market Lenders were still doing refi and HELOC's mostly to people with high credit scores and 40% plus equity. The price you would pay in interest by taking out the money now is what will hurt you. I would use any cash you have to pay off existing mortgages and ride the market down "when" not "if" it turns.

I own this property 100%. If you say it's when and not if, why not consider ways to get out of the property and sit in cash until when it goes down? The property prices have been softening and rents have been flat for years. 

Post: Trying to time the market?

Ray S.Posted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Brian Van Pelt:

@Ray S. has a valid point .... but ... for the wrong reasons. His hypothesis is basically do I take out the equity in a property and hold it as cash to purchase properties when the market bottoms out and properties are cheaper. This is classic BRRRR thinking. and hypothetically works if you first bought the property at the bottom of the last RE cycle and rode the appreciation cycle up to current levels. If on the other hand you bought halfway up the cycle and the down turn pushes your values below your purchase price, your end up with negative equity.

Rather then BRRRR, you should if possible buy with cash, then when the market turns you have the equity needed to purchase  at or near the bottom, without having to cash out and pay the interest from the top to the bottom of the next cycle.

I agree, and that's exactly what I did. Bought this properly near the bottom of the last cycle in cash, added value and saw appreciation in the market and now have the opportunity to sell and what could be possibly be the top of the market cycle. Are you saying the better strategy is to not sell at all, and then take debt if/when the market bottoms out to buy more property? Wouldn't it be harder to do a cash out refi or HELOC if they market was in the dumps? If I took out 75-80% lets say, this property would probably just break even.

Post: What are realistic rates of return for passive investors?

Ray S.Posted
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  • Miami Beach, FL
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Originally posted by @Michael A.:

@Ray S. This is something I have found totally depends on the market. I am looking at 10% in my market, but that is with a fair purchase price (no bidding war, over speculation, etc.) and self-management. In other markets, it is slimmer. However, I am reading posts on here lately where people are generating 20-30% in the Midwest and Ohio. I don't mean to spread misinformation; this is just what I've been seeing here lately. So it all definitely depends. 

What are you using to analyze any potential deals? 

I'm just using MLS and looking mostly in my state at multi families, most have their income statements in the description. 8-10% caps are the most I'm seeing and they are in really bad neighborhoods. And I also don't believe they would stay 8-10% caps after transferring ownership. So I'm looking for ideas where 10+ cap rates are more common.

Post: Selling multifamily, what to do next?

Ray S.Posted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 123
  • Votes 19
Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:

@Ray S. Going larger for more cash flow definitely makes the most sense. You could look at commercial and multi family. 

1031 versus opportunity zone is an interesting discussion. Ozone will generally be a ground up or heavy renovation and will take a few years to produce cashflow but could have a better upside. This vehicle will not be as flexible as 1031 since you will likely be one of many in a deal vs owning your property and the investment requires a 10 year hold to maximize the benefits. You can recycle the capital if doing your own deal or if allowed by the sponsor/developer.

Unless you are looking for a passive investment approach I think for most individuals a 1031 makes the most sense.

I would probably use an OZ fund, and not purchase the property myself. The purpose would be to take money out of the market and roll just the profits over tax free. So if it were a 1mil property that had 100k of profits. Take the 100k, put it in an OZ fund and forget about it and then put the 900k on the sidelines until better opportunities come along. Ideally the 100k would start to cashflow in 1.5-2 years from the fund and then you have that chance of future appreciation as well. V.S. using a 1031 exchange where I would have to spend the full million. 

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