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All Forum Posts by: Joe Villeneuve

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Post: Help with this deal!

Joe Villeneuve
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The least important this you mentioned, was the word "cute".  I've never heard money/profit described as cute, so it's not important.

The most important thing you mentioned, was the rent potential and ARV. The problem is, none of it is based on actual comps, and again, the word "cute" doesn't have anything to do with setting those numners.

What you need to do is a full analysis of the comps for both rent and sold in your area.  They should ONLY include properties of the same size (sq ftg), and within a short distance form this property.

Lastly, your profit comes after you recover your cash you put in. It's the cash you put in that's your cost for the property. If you plan renting out this property, that cost recovery comes from cash flow (equity doesn't count). Keep in mind, adding "cute", and upgrading things won't increase your rent or ARV past what the market in that area will tell you is the max. Adding and making better could sell or rent faster, but it won't get you more than what the market ARV and rent is set at from other similar comps in the area.

...and your Interior Design background will help, if you you it mostly as an understanding of cost.  Don't use it strictly as a tool to turn the property into one you want to live in.  That's one of the fastest ways to lose money. 

Post: Best city to begin investing

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Hi! I am starting to become involved in real estate investing and I am looking between two cities in Ohio to purchase my first property (hopefully a duplex). Through my research, it says that Cleveland and Toledo are both good options for real estate investing. Which one is better? Is there a city that's better than both of these in Ohio? I do need a property that is not very expensive, which is why I have been looking into Clevland due to their low selling prices and high appreciation rates. 

Specifically, what research results told you these were two good cities to invest in?

 I read it on realestate.com and Ark7. Are these good sources?

Read what?  What specifically did this site tell you?  The numbers with $$$ in front.

Post: Best city to begin investing

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Quote from @Jenna Schulze:

Hi! I am starting to become involved in real estate investing and I am looking between two cities in Ohio to purchase my first property (hopefully a duplex). Through my research, it says that Cleveland and Toledo are both good options for real estate investing. Which one is better? Is there a city that's better than both of these in Ohio? I do need a property that is not very expensive, which is why I have been looking into Clevland due to their low selling prices and high appreciation rates. 

Specifically, what research results told you these were two good cities to invest in?

Post: Don't Become a Property Hoarder or a Door Counter

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@Jonathan Greene to piggy-back on what your laying down here: 

I believe a core component of the "problem" is a gross over & mis use of "Cash-flow". 

If everyone would simply eradicate that from there vocabulary and replace it with "Realized PERFORMANCE". Than maybe with adjusting the vocabulary to REALIZED performance and UNREALIZED performance, we can start correcting understandings. 

There is realized gains & profits, and UN-realized gains and profits. As well as UN-realized expenses. And YES, far FAR too often I am seeing people stack up UN-realized expenses at a compounding rate, to give selves a false sense of "profit" on whatever monthly/quarterly capital there moving around. 

Remove "Cash-flow" from the vocabulary. 

Use Realized and Unrealized PERFORMANCE in place of such. 

Does size of mortgage paydown become a factor here? Like I can do a BRRR on 600k property with no cash-flow or a 150k property with $300 monthly cash-flow, but do not have the same investment vehicle, and it is the same cash that is doing both, as for the 600k purchase I'd be using the same 100k towards hard money loan.

Look, I am rather regimented when it comes to hard money; that a HML should ONLY ever be used for short term transactional purposes.

That means knowing NOT hoping for the exit from HML.

Strategies that use hope, is how people get burned, bad. 

I see it somewhat regular of people who got into a "deal" with HML, to do a Brrr and now it's half done reno and there desperately trying to sell it as-is to bail them out.

And then I look like the bad guy bringing $0.65 to the dollar for an out for them, because there too blinded to realize the other options are more like $0.45 on the dollar. 

It happens, a fair bit. And most don't survive it. 

My opinion is follow DSCR standards. Because you gotta have multiple exit strategies.

If a "deal" only has 1 profitable exit strategy, it isn't a "deal", it's a bull-trap. 

Tremendous response.

Post: Why You Need a "Deal Killer" In Your Life as a New Investor

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The adage about who you surround yourself with is accurate. The five people you spend the most time with will influence you. But as a new investor, sometimes this advice leads you to only have cheerleaders in your life. Don't get me wrong, cheerleaders are essential - they make you feel good, are always there to lift you, and cheer you on no matter what. The only problem is that last part - no matter what.

Every new investor needs a "deal killer" in their life. This is why:

1. A deal killer is a voice of reason when you are emotionally attached to a shiny object (it could be a property or a new guru course).

2. A deal killer has no emotions. They are focused on the numbers and your well-being when you aren't.

3. A deal killer has nothing to gain from telling you it's a bad deal. (For this, your deal killer can not be a direct competitor. You must have built the trust to know they aren't telling you it's bad so they can take it. Real deal killers don't do that.)

4. A deal killer doesn't shy away from conflict. When you are new to the game, agents, wholesalers, other investors, and even you can push you around. A deal killer doesn't mind hopping into the fray and telling everyone the truth.

5. A deal killer has the experience that you don't. They can see the things you are missing because they have missed them before and they know what happens when they do.

So, make sure you have those top five in your life. The ones that motivate you and keep you on track. But don't discount a deal killer as negative when they only work in your best interests. When you are new, you can be your worst enemy (due to lack of knowledge, ego, and FOMO).

If you are new, do you have a person who tells you that some deals suck?

If you are experienced, how important do you think it is to know a deal killer?


 Where would somebody find such a person that even gave a care???? 


I would say no-pitch meetups over a year would be the best possible chance to find someone who can be a voice of reason in your investing life if you don't have one. What do you think?


 I’ve been to a number of meet ups over the years, but I’ve never been to a no pitch meet up. It could’ve just be my personality, but I always felt a little reluctant to be extra friendly if the other side did not reciprocate. The meet up I went to a number of times in San Antonio was more for the benefit of the owner of the meet up. It was the same for the meet up I went a number of times to in Austin as well. 

True, but that doesn't mean the other people there aren't worth meeting.

Post: Why is my unit still vacant?

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There's many good replies. Another thought to add. Instead of $500 off the first months rent, have you considered lowering the rent by $40 dollars per month? Renters may prefer paying 40 less per month rather than the one time $500 discount. 

$40/month off works out much better for the tenant, even though they may not realize it, and it's a killer for the landlord.  $500 off up front is a one time discount, the $40/month lower is the gift (to the tenant) that keeps on giving.  It establishes a base that's $40 lower, which all future rent increases are based on.

That is a very good point about future rent increases. I don't know what his market rate rent is for that property. Perhaps is a bit too high. Might it be smarter to offer a slightly lower monthly rent in exchange for a tenant who feels more content. Maybe who even knows they are getting a good deal. In the long-run this could reduce turn-over, maintence costs, vacancy and the need in the first place to have to offer $500 discount off the first month's rent. In my scenario I think it's possible the landlord may come ahead. 

Rents are set based on the size of the property in the same immediate geographical area.  As in the common rent for properties of the same size that you can put a box around on a map.  Whether or not you get the high end of that dollar amount, is based on the quality of what you are renting.  If your property is 1259 sq ft, and the going rate for 1250 properties in a close-knit are is 1250/month, then two things are a given.  1: In order to get the 1250 you need to have no problems with that property.  2:  just because you added gold fixtures in the bath, and a marble floor in the foyer, you're not getting more than 1250.  The Gold and Marble might get your's rented first, but not for more.

Post: Why is my unit still vacant?

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Quote from @Erik Anderson:

There's many good replies. Another thought to add. Instead of $500 off the first months rent, have you considered lowering the rent by $40 dollars per month? Renters may prefer paying 40 less per month rather than the one time $500 discount. 

$40/month off works out much better for the tenant, even though they may not realize it, and it's a killer for the landlord.  $500 off up front is a one time discount, the $40/month lower is the gift (to the tenant) that keeps on giving.  It establishes a base that's $40 lower, which all future rent increases are based on.

Post: Why You Need a "Deal Killer" In Your Life as a New Investor

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Jonathan makes perfect sense.  When an investor starts out, they are so focused on that first (couple of) deal(s) and are usually either not seeing (lack of experience) or not wanting to see (emotion) any problems in the deal.  Note:  This is one reason why I hate it when I see people saying they should "just jump in".

What that investor needs is someone with experience that points out what might be wrong with a deal.  that doesn't mean their role is to find something wrong with every deal.  IF the deal is good, then they will tell them.  However, if the deal isn't good, they will tell them why.


That last part is a great point. By calling this person a deal killer, people could interpret that as meaning they only kill deals. I meant it like you said, so I gave the five traits to back up their persona.

Cheerleaders are great to have, but I find that a lot of new investors only want that because it feels better. That's short-term. Long-term, you need a voice of reason. We all get hopped up over a deal. I want someone to point out all the flaws. It may help me negotiate or at least acknowledge the risk.

Something a really good mentor might do.

Post: Why You Need a "Deal Killer" In Your Life as a New Investor

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Jonathan makes perfect sense.  When an investor starts out, they are so focused on that first (couple of) deal(s) and are usually either not seeing (lack of experience) or not wanting to see (emotion) any problems in the deal.  Note:  This is one reason why I hate it when I see people saying they should "just jump in".

What that investor needs is someone with experience that points out what might be wrong with a deal.  that doesn't mean their role is to find something wrong with every deal.  IF the deal is good, then they will tell them.  However, if the deal isn't good, they will tell them why.

Post: Downside of the 1% rule...

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Just because "1000's use it", doesn't make it a good idea.