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All Forum Posts by: Joe Villeneuve

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Post: Whats more important: $100,000 or 10,000 calls?

Joe Villeneuve
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What happens when you make 10,000 calls, and get very little money out of it?  The number of calls you make, are only important if you are guaranteed a specific dollar in return per call.  Are you?

Dollars outweigh calls every day of the week.

To me, what appears to be the problem isn't setting the goals, or choosing the goals, but having a plan of how to get there.  Simply making more calls doesn't guarantee money.  That's the throwing you know what against the wall, and hop0e plan.  Not a plan.  What sticks is based on how you throw it, not how many you throw. 

Your problem is probably your method of wholesaling.


 Setting a goal doesn’t merely guarantee the outcome by course. The only way to ensure a goal is commitment to the input. I can’t make someone sell their property, some people will not be reduced to a dollar amount. Are my sales skills top notch, no. Do I have the instincts to overcome every objects, no. Have I missed some deals during this process, of course. But if, by whatever course of action, I am not committed to taking the necessary action the goal will never nothing more than a goal. 

Just for numbers sake, there are some YouTubers doing 10,000 calls, 10s of thousands text messages and 10,000 mailers a month. I don’t have the budget to support but one lead source at a time. Networking at this time can only be done by phone. Fortunately, I have a few contacts to use. Of which I’ve done 1 deal with. I’m not looking to make a living making phone calls, but without a budget, you gotta start somewhere.

Your first sentence says it all.  The next sentence should be a question.  "what am I doing wrong, and what should I be doing differently?"  You seem to keep going back to number of calls for some reason.  Forget the number of calls. as a goal.  You mentioned in this post that you don't have time/money to do the  quantities others are doing.  Nobody does.
I sill tell you this, the reason why others that are successful might be doing 10,000 calls isn't because they are focusing on the number of calls.  They do that many because they have a successful system that allows them to do that many.  The number isn't a goal, it's a result.
So, what's you system?  
First, where/how are you getting these numbers to call?
Second, when they answer the phone, what happens next,...from your end, not there's?

Post: Mentorship Program Suggestions?

Joe Villeneuve
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Hi Elliot,

So you want to work as a wholesaler --

And buy short term rental(s) using creative financing.

This looks to me like you are interested in the cash flow monthly as your main goal.

You also said that you have not been able to set aside enough money for down payment yet.

Creative financing might be something you could possibly do.

One of the roadblocks you might come across when looking for a creative financing purchase might be your lack of experience - in that the seller might balk at someone with no experience being relied upon to handle his end of the bargain.

Meaning getting a deal like that might be similar to finding a Needle in a haystack.

And making your money from wholesaling - why not just get a second job, maybe from a temporary service, until you get enough money saved up to buy what you want to buy.

And do not forget that you will need cash reserves for times when business is rough such as replacements like a water heater which can be expensive.

Just my 2 cents.

...this is worth at least 4 cents.  Just my 2 cents.

Post: Whats more important: $100,000 or 10,000 calls?

Joe Villeneuve
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What happens when you make 10,000 calls, and get very little money out of it?  The number of calls you make, are only important if you are guaranteed a specific dollar in return per call.  Are you?

Dollars outweigh calls every day of the week.

To me, what appears to be the problem isn't setting the goals, or choosing the goals, but having a plan of how to get there.  Simply making more calls doesn't guarantee money.  That's the throwing you know what against the wall, and hop0e plan.  Not a plan.  What sticks is based on how you throw it, not how many you throw. 

Your problem is probably your method of wholesaling.

Post: Mentorship Program Suggestions?

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What do you mean by "hands on"?

Post: A couple deals under my belt, but at a stand-still and need a coach/advisor.

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Back in 2019, I figured a goal of saving for a year for each downpayment was an achievable goal.  However, in my market house values were outpacing my ability to save sufficient funds.  I also got involved with a builder in Florida who has yet to produce the first of three houses they're contracted to build, which was a major hit to my available funds as well, setting me further behind.

I also figured if I fell a little behind in saving (18 months instead of 12 months for example), I'd still be making progress. But, since I've been in a holding pattern waiting on the Florida builds, I haven't seen a clear path forward to purchase another house while waiting for the builds to finish.

That really doesn't answer the question of why you decided that your "plan" was to buy one property per year.  Why not 2, or 3?  Why not one every two years?
The goal is to make money, collect profits, NOT collecting properties.

 @Joe Villeneuve Ah, gotcha.  Missed the point of your question.  I guess I was thinking small.  I was thinking 1 property per year was a huge thing for me, and if things worked out I could accelerate to 2 properties the 2nd or 3rd year, 3 properties the 3rd or 4th year, etc.  I thought 1 per year was enough to push me out of my comfort zone, but also not too much to overextend my finances.  Of course, in hindsight with what the market has done, I wish I'd gone full steam ahead, but in the moment I was playing it cautious.

I'm also looking for income to quit my W2.  I know, I know.  Doesn't every rookie investor?  I'm currently helping my aging parents, and I need to be spending more time taking care of them. My current W2 is going through many changes, and whether by their choice (layoffs) or mine (12-16 hr work days is unsustainable) I need to figure out how I can spend more time taking care of my parents.  I'm feeling the delays I've imposed on myself in my RE investing, so I'm trying to correct my trajectory to get back on course ASAP.

You may not realize it, but you just stated your goals.
Number of properties, no matter how you arrive at a number, is never a goal.  It may be a means to an end, but the end are your goals, they are numbers with $$$ in front, and they are very specific.
Plans are generated from those financial goals, working your way backwards.  Reverse engineering.  All successful plans are generated this way.  It's like getting a degree in college.  That curriculum you are following was designed for you by the school this way.  Each class you need to take is based on the required knowledge for the next class(s).  By working backwards, you are establishing each class schedule based on what is needed to move forward.  Reverse engineering.
You plan works the same way, except instead of classes, you have profits needed from each previous deal, that gives you the cash to move forward.  Each step is a deal.  The financial requirements for each deal, is dictated by what's needed to move forward to the next step/deal.  The property you choose, is based on satisfying the financial requirements for that deal, at that time.
Simple.

 Copy that.  In truth, my goal has always been to replace my W2 income, so the focus was on the $ coming in every month, and not so much the number of properties.  I equated it to a property per year simply because in the Denver area it's very difficult to find cash-flowing deals that make the investment worth it, so I figured I'd be looking at several properties to reach my financial goal.  I get your point though.  I should've started with a specific $/month in mind and worked backwards to figure out how many properties it would take to get to that number.  Instead, I just decided to head in "that direction" and figured I'd get to the destination eventually.  Like you said, not much of a plan.

If I could make the financial goal work with one or two properties I'd go that route, so it's not really about the number of properties. That kind of cashflow is just unrealistic in my neck of the woods. I've been watching Chad Carson's videos and his approach of accumulating more properties than you need, then start using that income to pay off mortgages and cull the lower performing properties makes sense to me.  With my two local properties bringing in about $1,200/month, I'm in the growing phase.  I don't want to just buy another house though if the cashflow isn't right.

Thanks for your feedback Joe.  It helps to have the reminder that I need to proceed with the goal in mind, and not just go through the motions.

Here's the problem.  In order to accumulate the total number of dollars/month you need (notice I didn't say properties), you need to work your way forwards using your equity, buy selling properties that are accumulating equity through appreciation.  As your equity grows, you start losing money.  The reality is, your equity is what you are paying for your property.  The mortgage is what your tenant is paying for your property.  The cash flow is what allows you to not pay more for your property every month.  As you are growing, your cash flow is buying you time.  Flipping the equity out of your properties is what allows you to grow.

 I suspect that's exactly what I'll do with the Florida properties.  After the first year of renting them, and if their values have risen enough, I'll "trade up" for something else with a higher cashflow (assuming I go for a higher downpayment.)  We'll see in a year's time where they're at.

Why would you go for a larger DP?

Post: A couple deals under my belt, but at a stand-still and need a coach/advisor.

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
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  • Plymouth, MI
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@Joe Villeneuve <-- his world...we're all just living in it! 

Some living better than others. LOL

Post: A couple deals under my belt, but at a stand-still and need a coach/advisor.

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
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  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
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Quote from @Bud Gaffney:

Joeeeeee issss baccckkkkkkkk :)

Never left

Post: A couple deals under my belt, but at a stand-still and need a coach/advisor.

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
Posted
  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
  • Votes 19,535
Quote from @John Postma:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @John Postma:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @John Postma:

Back in 2019, I figured a goal of saving for a year for each downpayment was an achievable goal.  However, in my market house values were outpacing my ability to save sufficient funds.  I also got involved with a builder in Florida who has yet to produce the first of three houses they're contracted to build, which was a major hit to my available funds as well, setting me further behind.

I also figured if I fell a little behind in saving (18 months instead of 12 months for example), I'd still be making progress. But, since I've been in a holding pattern waiting on the Florida builds, I haven't seen a clear path forward to purchase another house while waiting for the builds to finish.

That really doesn't answer the question of why you decided that your "plan" was to buy one property per year.  Why not 2, or 3?  Why not one every two years?
The goal is to make money, collect profits, NOT collecting properties.

 @Joe Villeneuve Ah, gotcha.  Missed the point of your question.  I guess I was thinking small.  I was thinking 1 property per year was a huge thing for me, and if things worked out I could accelerate to 2 properties the 2nd or 3rd year, 3 properties the 3rd or 4th year, etc.  I thought 1 per year was enough to push me out of my comfort zone, but also not too much to overextend my finances.  Of course, in hindsight with what the market has done, I wish I'd gone full steam ahead, but in the moment I was playing it cautious.

I'm also looking for income to quit my W2.  I know, I know.  Doesn't every rookie investor?  I'm currently helping my aging parents, and I need to be spending more time taking care of them. My current W2 is going through many changes, and whether by their choice (layoffs) or mine (12-16 hr work days is unsustainable) I need to figure out how I can spend more time taking care of my parents.  I'm feeling the delays I've imposed on myself in my RE investing, so I'm trying to correct my trajectory to get back on course ASAP.

You may not realize it, but you just stated your goals.
Number of properties, no matter how you arrive at a number, is never a goal.  It may be a means to an end, but the end are your goals, they are numbers with $$$ in front, and they are very specific.
Plans are generated from those financial goals, working your way backwards.  Reverse engineering.  All successful plans are generated this way.  It's like getting a degree in college.  That curriculum you are following was designed for you by the school this way.  Each class you need to take is based on the required knowledge for the next class(s).  By working backwards, you are establishing each class schedule based on what is needed to move forward.  Reverse engineering.
You plan works the same way, except instead of classes, you have profits needed from each previous deal, that gives you the cash to move forward.  Each step is a deal.  The financial requirements for each deal, is dictated by what's needed to move forward to the next step/deal.  The property you choose, is based on satisfying the financial requirements for that deal, at that time.
Simple.

 Copy that.  In truth, my goal has always been to replace my W2 income, so the focus was on the $ coming in every month, and not so much the number of properties.  I equated it to a property per year simply because in the Denver area it's very difficult to find cash-flowing deals that make the investment worth it, so I figured I'd be looking at several properties to reach my financial goal.  I get your point though.  I should've started with a specific $/month in mind and worked backwards to figure out how many properties it would take to get to that number.  Instead, I just decided to head in "that direction" and figured I'd get to the destination eventually.  Like you said, not much of a plan.

If I could make the financial goal work with one or two properties I'd go that route, so it's not really about the number of properties. That kind of cashflow is just unrealistic in my neck of the woods. I've been watching Chad Carson's videos and his approach of accumulating more properties than you need, then start using that income to pay off mortgages and cull the lower performing properties makes sense to me.  With my two local properties bringing in about $1,200/month, I'm in the growing phase.  I don't want to just buy another house though if the cashflow isn't right.

Thanks for your feedback Joe.  It helps to have the reminder that I need to proceed with the goal in mind, and not just go through the motions.

Here's the problem.  In order to accumulate the total number of dollars/month you need (notice I didn't say properties), you need to work your way forwards using your equity, buy selling properties that are accumulating equity through appreciation.  As your equity grows, you start losing money.  The reality is, your equity is what you are paying for your property.  The mortgage is what your tenant is paying for your property.  The cash flow is what allows you to not pay more for your property every month.  As you are growing, your cash flow is buying you time.  Flipping the equity out of your properties is what allows you to grow.

Post: What not to do!

Joe Villeneuve
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  • Plymouth, MI
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Quote from @Colby Easterling:
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First lesson, which maybe should have been obvious (is now).
Garbage in, garbage out.

Second lesson.
Learn before you buy,...anything.  Getting your "feet wet", isn't a learning move, at least not a good one.  If you don't know how deep the water is, you may get more than just your "feet wet".

Third Lesson.
Cheap and discount are not the same thing.  See Lesson #1.

I didn’t realize this was public until I posted it. That property was still showing that I owned it so I just wanted to close it out as a reminder to myself. It’s a failure and it didn’t hurt my drive. I took a pause and finished my bachelors and stabilized my family since then. Now I’m going to start back with a little bit more planning. Thanks for your time! I don’t know how to make this post not public 🤷‍♂️. 

This is a discussion board.  It's public.  Where and why would have thought it wasn't.  If you thought it was private, then private to who?
I was typing this out from my profile page. I thought it would update the profile page instead of sending it to a forum. No reason to get all bent out of shape :) (it was showing that I still owned those houses on my profile and I’m getting ready to buy my legitimate first property this year). What you said is valid (I certainly learned those lessons that you mentioned. I’m educated now, but I had no one in my circle that really knew anything until now. I jumped too soon.) I mean no disrespect to you. Just wanted to say that for anyone else that found the post. Have a nice day!  
I'm not bent out of shape, just trying to help you the best way I can.  When you post here, you get helped.

Good to hear! I look forward to getting help before I screw up next time! Thanks.

If you have a question, PM me and I'll try to answer it the best I can.

Post: What not to do!

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
Posted
  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
  • Votes 19,535
Quote from @Colby Easterling:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Colby Easterling:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

First lesson, which maybe should have been obvious (is now).
Garbage in, garbage out.

Second lesson.
Learn before you buy,...anything.  Getting your "feet wet", isn't a learning move, at least not a good one.  If you don't know how deep the water is, you may get more than just your "feet wet".

Third Lesson.
Cheap and discount are not the same thing.  See Lesson #1.

I didn’t realize this was public until I posted it. That property was still showing that I owned it so I just wanted to close it out as a reminder to myself. It’s a failure and it didn’t hurt my drive. I took a pause and finished my bachelors and stabilized my family since then. Now I’m going to start back with a little bit more planning. Thanks for your time! I don’t know how to make this post not public 🤷‍♂️. 

This is a discussion board.  It's public.  Where and why would have thought it wasn't.  If you thought it was private, then private to who?
I was typing this out from my profile page. I thought it would update the profile page instead of sending it to a forum. No reason to get all bent out of shape :) (it was showing that I still owned those houses on my profile and I’m getting ready to buy my legitimate first property this year). What you said is valid (I certainly learned those lessons that you mentioned. I’m educated now, but I had no one in my circle that really knew anything until now. I jumped too soon.) I mean no disrespect to you. Just wanted to say that for anyone else that found the post. Have a nice day!  
I'm not bent out of shape, just trying to help you the best way I can.  When you post here, you get helped.