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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Syrios

Andrew Syrios has started 74 posts and replied 10135 times.

Post: New Agent and Investor with Thomas Brown Investment Group, LLC

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Quote from @Justin Thomas Schmied:
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Welcome to BiggerPockets and best of luck investing Justin!


 Thank you Andrew, let me know if there is anything I could help you out with ever!


 Sure thing Justin, good luck!

Post: David Pere on Real Estate Investor Networking & Content Mkting

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 I plan to be there, thanks for the heads up

Post: New Agent and Investor with Thomas Brown Investment Group, LLC

Andrew Syrios
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Welcome to BiggerPockets and best of luck investing Justin!

Post: Listed as a 4-3 but really a 3-2

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The listing information is not guaranteed but you can use this as grounds for negotiation. I think it kind of depends on the municipality. In some areas, unpermitted work is a big deal, in some areas (assuming it wasn't major work) it's less so. Also how long ago was it done. Was it "grandfathered in" (although building departments hate that term). But yeah, it's definitely something to negotiate over.

Post: Looking to start investing

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Welcome aboard Joe and best of luck investing!

Post: Refi a DSCR purchase

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I would try to keep those loans in place if at all possible. I would definitely aim for the HELOC or a private loan for the down payment or something like that.

Post: New Investor near Charleston, SC

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Welcome to BiggerPockets Chad!

Post: Housing crash deniers ???

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@Joe BertolinoI predict you will see a bunch of 2-1 buydown products securing 4% rates for 2 years and then in 2024/2025 people will refinance

What happens in 2026 if/when  home values are lower? Are these homebuyers with this product just going to be bag holders? Why not have 6-6 buy downs and let people get 1 percent mortgages, that will fix the issue. Will there be a government bailout forcing lenders to refi people at new lower rates with negative equity or will we have 2008 all over again? 

If rates creep back down will there be negative equity?  Will there be a huge influx of new construction to exceed demand?  Maybe I am out of touch here in Northern CA but I just don't see any homeowners that are really stretched to the point where this is a concern.  Those that are stretched are selling and pocketing equity.   Corelogic has an average equity per borrower of $300K and the national average LTV is 42%.  37% of homes are owned free and clear (Bloomberg).  I really am trying to see where a major crash would come from and these stats don't lead me there.  

 They don't get-it Joe, they just don't get it. 

It seems that there is such a blood-lust for a collapse in R.E., out of a desire to have been an investor in 2009, that anything and everything going on = "collapse" in peoples mind, it's tunnel-vision on shrooms, it really is. 

Firstly, Inflation = Inflation, not Deflation. Homes did not just go up in price, your dollar went DOWN in it's purchasing power. I have not heard 1 person argue how groceries are going to go down 20%. Housing is coined "The" hedge against inflation for a reason, and it's not because it devalues while everything else inflates. 

Next, and I still don't understand person's disconnect with this, we are at net SHORTAGE of housing, SHORTAGE. Now add that ingredient with INFLATION for all the things that go into making a home, the labor for everyone involved, the materials and tools they use, those cost's of inputs dictate the price to market. New unit costs will drop 20% when everything and everyone that makes on takes 20% less, it's not complicated.     The result of this math, is called STAGFLATION, high cost of an item with more limited purchasing of that item makes lower volume NOT collapse. 

And lastly the fun one also ignored all the time which is most are sitting on record high equity and liquidity. People in large part DON'T have to sell, at all. On average at least $100k of equity would have to be burned away AND then those occupants put into a financial crisis of income, and this is just to start to get in realm of potential for risk of foreclosure. Or in terms, 2008 collapse X3. It's a ridiculous notion. 

We also have a massive net shortage of rental units. This makes a nice "landing" buffer for builder's/developers for pivoting there activity. Some won't, some will just stop, or decrease volume. Others will adjust. Things could not be more different then 2007, everything is different in world of development today. 

A thought that high interest rates will collapse housing, please do the basic research of a little thing we call the '80's, rates hit 14% and guess what, no collapse. What did happen in the '80's was a setting of the stage for the bull-run of the 90's. 

We are in STAGFLATION. This fall/winter will see the lowest prices in R.E. for the next years to come. By Q2 of '23' housing shortage will press the leveling and bounce up in R.E. pricing, and as much as people will not like the price level, they will pay it because it's the cost of having a roof over there head, shelter in non-optional. 

And then, I predict political meddling to gain votes in the form of directing Fannie/Freddie to securitize and normalize the 40/50yr mortgage because, it gives feeling of affordability while not actually touching price. THAT's how housing becomes "affordable" again. That happens, median price will shoot up, yet again. I am betting there will also be something to address MBS purchases, but most will miss that point as it's over most persons heads but in truth that's where the whole issue of rates is coming from so most likely something done there. 

Now then, then you may get into a high leverage environment, setting the stage for a "collapse" of some type in or around "25-'27'. As it stands now, we have inflation with liquidity, that spells STAGFLATION if anything. 

Your long term solutions make sense, and that’s what’s likely to occur. It doesn’t change the fact that housing prices will drop substantially before that happens if rates stay high. 

serious question, do you know where I can lock in my home “equity” value right now for the next 2 years, so that if my properties lose value in 2 years the insurer will write me a check for the difference? I’d really like to find someone who has an insurance product like that with deep pockets. I wonder what the premium would be on that. Historically because housing always goes up, it should be very cheap insurance. 


 You may be joking or making this as a snarky comment but there is constructs and products that effect that very thing. I am not an insurance broker so I have no idea the cost of such, but they do exist. You forget, people have insured there leg's and breasts, lol, so yeah, such a thing exists to assure performance. 

20% drop is just not realistic, again to get that drop someone has to be willing to sell at 20% drop. In an environment where persons don't have to, why would they? 

I’d need the backing from someone like Lloyds of London for a policy like that, but my guess is the premium is substantial right now, if not their risk management has some leaks. Wow, a 20 percent drop is unheard of? What metric will you track for that? Again this is all on the premise that rates will stay high. If mortgage rates are still 7 percent this time next year you will be selling homes for a minimum 20 percent less than the peak. 

I’m on mailing lists across the country from developers and home builders. They are already offering 10 percent off in incentives on new construction. 

Why would someone sell for less? Your missing this simple key point, why does a person sell for less? Most don't have to, so why would one? It's not complicated. 

As for 7% rates, pull up some charts, it's not all that high, it isn't, it's more a normal rate. Your just contracting it against insanely historically low low's of 3%, which was a bubble, rates were artificially low. We are now back to a normalized level.     Again, I reference the '80's, check out those rates of 12%+, and please find the corresponding market "crash". Your arguing 20% drop at 7%, ok, so in the '80's why didn't we see a 30% drop at 14%? 

People are sitting on mountains of equity, they don't have to sell. 

Home builder incentives, I was getting those last year on pre-sales, nothing new there. 

And you will note I keep saying STAGFLATION, which is low volume. I expect to see lower volume, which is exactly what your saying for builders offering incentives openly. Do you think there gonna just keep building at same rate? Your whole argument is based on builders have to keep building, at a net loss, and home owners have to keep selling, at lower and lower prices.     COMPLETLY ignoring the fact that NO, builders DON'T have to keep building, NO most home owners DON'T have to sell.     In 2009 people HAD to sell, they had to due to being in high leverage positions and loosing income, AND the BIGGEST reason was the re-setting of mortgage payments doubling, tripling a persons mortgage payment from what it was before. They got into payment structures they NEVER had capacity to pay, that was #1 driver.     

Again, that does NOT exist today. There is NOT a mountain of mortgage payments re-setting to double/triple payment level. 

So people will simply stay put, buy less, move less. For the 97th time, STAGFLATION! 

The obsession with collapse is NOT supported by the facts. Sure, your emotions maybe, but not FACTS. 

My emotions? You are the one typing in CAPS. 

the FACT that you are comparing 1980’s interest rates and housing to home values now is extremely misguided. 

as deflation makes its way through the supply chain and lumber prices drop and labor markets normalize as a result of the higher rates people will lose jobs in areas that aren’t needed for the economy. There is a need for housing and it’s already starting to happen. there is a never ending supply of land across this country and people don’t need to live so close to the downtown cities anymore. 

here’s a FACT nugget for you trying to compare 1980 prices to 2022…1980 median home value was $47,200 and adjusted for inflation today that puts median home value at 170k! The median home value now is 422k 

median household income 1980 : $21,020
median house income 2022: $71,186

median household income is up 3.3x since then and home values are up 10x 

but sure….housing CANT drop 20 percent taking us back to late 2020 prices 


 Is housing dropping 20% a "crash" though? The stock market is down 20% from the beginning of the year and I don't hear many calling this a crash. I think what would signify a crash is another major spike in foreclosure and subsequent financial crisis. A 20% drop is relatively likely (I would be surprised by anything less than 10%) but another epidemic of foreclosures and financial crisis I think is quite unlikely. 

Post: I have 600K to invest

Andrew Syrios
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One of the biggest advantages of real estate is the ability to use leverage, so I would lean toward using loans to buy properties. With the recent Fed increases though, it might be worth waiting and seeing a bit if rates come down early next year (we should know by whether they can move the dial much on inflation by the end of the year). Then maybe refinance after a cash purchase when rates are down. Getting a HELOC is a very good idea though.

Post: 1 Primary and 1 Rental, Low Cash, Next Move?

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Partnerships or private loans are definitely something to consider. However, if you're low on cash and 1) have lived in your own home for more than a year and 2) it would make for a good rental and 3) you are open to moving, the best option might be to buy a new personal residence and rent out your current place. The financing terms are a lot better for personal residences than investment properties and with rates going up, that is even more important now.


 Partnering is something I am exploring now, I think it may be the quickest way up for me.  If rents rise a little more in my area I will consider continuing to buy a primary and then make it a rental.  It involves moving a lot but it's a quick way to acquire properties at low interest rates so I totally agree with your suggestion.

Rents have gone up so much I wouldn't expect them to keep rising (much at least) in the near future. That being said, because rents have gone up so much recently almost everything that hasn't been leased in the last year or so is under-rented which can present an opportunity.