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All Forum Posts by: Scott Choppin

Scott Choppin has started 10 posts and replied 223 times.

Post: How do Real Estate developers do well in Los Angeles?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Thanks @Pavan Sandhu

@Marlon Thomas @Etienne Martel

The development market here in SoCal is like everywhere else, you have to have an uncommon offer and hunt for the right mix of land, zoning, build cost, and sales value. But there is money to be made, we produced a 29% IRR on our last UTH development project, in downtown Long Beach, sold earlier this year.

We are underwriting a deal now in Orange County that projects to make over 36% IRR based on reasonably conservative underwriting standards (some of this has to do with our specific product type, but that's why were doing it!)

Two issues to deal with in CA.

One is the most aggressive, costly building code requirements for build out in the entire nation. Rising costs on new construction is the biggest structural weakness in the MF market in CA.

Second, yes our tax structure sucks, for sure. 

But the market is good, our tenant profile is deeply undeserved, and although it's not the most socially acceptable thing to say, we have the deepest housing deficit of any state in the nation. When you can build into that type of market and keep your costs and time efficient, you can make money here.

Hope that helps.

Post: Ground up Duplexes OR Change Zoning R2 to R3 in Woodland Hills?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Trevor Baker

Were you able to gather additional info on this site? 

I understand you are not afraid of new construction, but you should be cautious if you have not done it before. The questions you ask indicate very low level of working knowledge in this space. Becoming a developer take years of in-the-trenches learning. 

On our own projects, we always make our own assessments of rental rates, and there are numerous resources for this data once you know where to look.

You need to determine the business plan, i.e. duplexes vs. larger project, then have an architect layout the design on your chosen path, then run a set of number (proforma) to determine feasibility. The proforma will have numerous data points that require research: rents, operating expenses, city impact fees, build costs, soft costs A&E. There a lot to assess.

Do you have anyone helping you? Have you hired an architect? 

Let us know how we can help

Post: Newbie Seeking Partner in SoCal (Inland Empire)

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@David Flores

Hi David, we would be interested to find out more. Send me a DM.

Thanks.

Post: How can I become a real estate developer

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Dria Etienne

In Charlotte, you said it's very tough, what was your specific experience? Did you reach out to specific developers? Tell me more, as I believe I can help.

On your financial analysis skills, have you run proformas for development deals? 

Here's where you might consider making an offer: find the Top 10 commercial developers in your market, reach out to them via email, written notes, and most especially social media. Offer them your help for free, offer your financial analysis help or any help for that matter. Keep at it until you hit pay dirt.

I just had a guy make me this offer, where he would work for free 10-20 hours per week on one of our advisory construction management projects, for the 3-4 month life of that project and the trade was that we would teach him what we do. Frankly, he was the only person EVER to make that offer, and I took him up on it. He did have the financial capacity to give his time, but I will tell you he's learning WAY more than he might if he got just any job he could in industry. Also, he's already about to sell new advisory deals that will be revenue positive to us and to him. 

Let me know the answer to your questions. Happy to help further.

~ Scott

Post: Have you ever built a duplex/triplex?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Christopher V.

@Brie Schmidt @Ann Folan @Weston Harding have all given good advice. Super local, city and politic specific advice is so valuable in the business. 

I might just add for further thinking, that once you get through site ident/acquisition, zoning, politics, initial design, then you'll want to run a proforma to make sure your deal pencils. This is the natural break point in the process to gut check youself, do my rents work, are my operating expenses sufficient, is my land and build cost conducive to profits. Simplistically, the model is develop, build, rent, sell - with the formula being:

Sale value - costs = profits (if you are long term hold then: cash flow / equity = return on costs)

So often we see folks get in love with their projects, then start to lose site of the "gut check", keep gut checking at every level, every step if you can, keep your model/proforma open, and update each time you get a new data point on rent, costs, etc.

Ann and Weston have the advantage of having done it before, so they likely have some general sense of sale values when a small apartment project is complete, and Ann for sure has the costs dialed in. You don't (sounds like they'll help, which is another move of power, build and use your networks of help), but as some point it's your bet and not theirs.

After you run your proforma, and have gathered sufficient info in your proforma, and the number work, then you'll need to raise capital, debt and equity. Everyone of those folks will want to see your proforma, plus some schematic plans, and an investment deck. Invest the time to put your deck together now, leave it generic, then when your schematics and proforma are done, you can plug the info in and go. 

A couple of helpful sources:

1. See my "Lifecycle of a MF deal" thread here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/427...

2. If you're interested, I do a video podcast (brand new), where we spend 30 minutes assessing your deal (after some basic information gathering and preliminary design layout). This could be a way to have your deal assessed for free, you would just need to be comfortable being on a podcast. 

Hope that helps 

~ Scott

Post: Lifecycle of a CA Multi-Family Development Deal

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

At this point in the life cycle for our UTH apartments project we have selected the lender and are ready to close our construction loan and begin building our apartment units. We want to describe the general types of construction lenders, the process for finding and identifying lenders, and a general description of the underwriting process to secure a construction loan.

First, the general types of construction lenders (finding lenders and underwriting will be included in future posts):

1. Commercial Banks - your most standard plain vanilla type of lender, usually with the lowest interest rate and loan costs. The trade you make for this lower costs are: 

A. rigorous, sometimes invasive, underwriting of the principals and managers of the development team, and the real estate deal itself.

B. requirement for full recourse guarantees, including full completion and repayment guarantees.  

C. more conservative loan terms related to Loan To Value (LTV) and Loan To Cost (LTC). As well, many construction lenders will be more conservative in their underwriting of the permanent loan amount, as this is one of the main sources of repayment of the construction debt. The bank looks at it this way, in the instance that they will need to foreclose the construction loan, they will be more careful to make sure the deal can be viable under a foreclosure scenario.

D. more conservative stance on being "in the market" or not. Commercial lenders being subject to banking regulators, will be in and out of the lending markets much more often than the other lenders below.

2. Hard Money Lenders - a much more aggressive style of lender, both in terms of the deals and developers they will fund, and also in terms of cost (much higher rate and points), and speed of loan close. You might see loans rates anywhere from 7% to 16% per annum, normally structured as interest only, and loan fees anywhere to 2 to 10 points. 

Advantages:

A. These folks lend when commercial banks may not. They want to get there money working, and unless the markets is totally off, you can generally know that some hard money lender somewhere is lending, at a cost.

B. Less rigorous underwriting of principals, sometimes no underwriting. They will focus in that case, on the real estate solely. 

C. Speed of execution and closing. Sometimes, these folks are RE developers themselves, and can make fast decisions on a loan, generally without a loan committee as you would have with a commercial bank. Loan documents tend to be simpler and faster to be produced. Many do not require or don't need an appraisal. These all save time and get you to a close quicker on your deal.

Be very careful, to vet lenders in this domain, there are for sure some scam artists. Some of these folks, operate in the "loan to own" domain, meaning they would be just as happy to see the developer default, so they can take the deal over to own it themselves. As a new developer, you'll be inclined to talk to anybody who even looks your way to start a conversation about lending on your project, but you must check references, see other deals they've done, and talk to other developers who have used their loan products. There are honest and forthright hard money lenders out there, you just need to turn over more rocks to find the good ones. 

Finally, by all means, do NOT pay upfront fees for them to underwrite your deal before issuing a term sheet. It sounds crazy and silly, but believe me, it happens more than you think. An honest lender will do some upfront work and underwriting, to get to a point of at least issuing basic terms in writing; a crooked lender will ask for money upfront to even begin looking at your deal. Look the lender up on a Google search, if they are hard to find, or you can't find info on the principals, or they seem to be under multiple company name, or associated with fishy circumstances - run, the opposite direction, fast. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

3. Crowdfunded Lenders - this is a new evolution in lending. These crowdfunded lenders raise capital under the crowdfunding regulations promulgated under the JOBS Act of 2012 and associated SEC regulations, and then loan it to your project. Our experience is they sit somewhere in between commercial bank loans and true hard money, in terms of rates and points. It's worth looking at, and what's more, we have found because of the public scrutiny of being in the public domain, there seems more transparency and ability to research these folks. Still, always check references and do your homework.

4. All equity - this sounds odd, but one way to get a loan, is to raise all equity. If you can do it this way, it generally is faster, less pain-in-the-*** underwriting, but higher cost in terms of ownership and profit splits you give away on the deal. And overall your return on equity and IRR will be lower. For the right deal this can work.

This list is by no means exhaustive, and I encourage you all to talk about other types of lenders out there, please add them in the comments to this post. Looking forward to hearing more!

Post: Clueless Developer to Partner with?

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

@Jared W Smith

I always have said for many years..."everyone wants to be a developer...." doesn't make them competent and doesn't make it true.

Post: Looking for a New Home Construction Contractor

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Thanks @Pavan Sandhu

Hi @David Flores, I don't have anyone still in my network, most left the business during the last recession. You might try Blue Book Network, and we sometimes find good contractors via CL. Although you have to vet them and check references. But those are good practices no matter who you talk to.

Good luck!

Post: Lifecycle of a CA Multi-Family Development Deal

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Hi @Kamyar Fg

Thanks for your message. 

1. There is defect liability (CA law and case precedent) but there is very little attorney driven legal action as we don't have an HOA. HOA's are the predominant vehicle for defect liability cases in CA.

2. If you build true condo product with HOA, you can purchase "wrap insurance" called OCIP, which enrolls all the team, developer, GC, subcontractors, designers into a common insurance policy. If there is a lawsuit, the insurance defends the entire team. Cost varies, but would be included in developer proforma.

3. We could do a condo map, but it would produce two effects:

   A. Much longer entitlement time lines as all condo maps must go to city council for a vote under the CA Subdivision Map Act. This can add 8-12 months of additional time for approval.

   B. Many/most subcontractors insurance companies will exclude coverage if you have a map on your project, and therefore subs will not bid your project unless you have OCIP, and even then sometimes they still won't bid. 

So we avoid maps to vastly speed up our process, we only develop on land that is zoned and "by right" for our UTH housing model. And we like to have maximum amount of subcontractors to bid our project to maximize cost efficiency in our build. 

~ Scott

Post: Lifecycle of a CA Multi-Family Development Deal

Scott Choppin#4 Land & New Construction ContributorPosted
  • Real Estate Developer
  • Long Beach, CA
  • Posts 249
  • Votes 359

Hi Everyone, I have been focused on other new offers, while the Cedar project winds it's way through plan check, which has been an arduous process with the city of Long Beach. But, we are ready to start construction now, and so will be updating this more regularly now that there's more data flowing from the project to communicate out to y'all.

Here's some of the upcoming post subjects:

Construction lender selection, loan processing, checklist, loan worksheet

Subcontractor/Trader Partner bidding process, identifying and vetting new subs, review subcontract

Schedule of Values and Scopes of Work, insurance