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All Forum Posts by: Steven Gesis

Steven Gesis has started 30 posts and replied 865 times.

Hi BP community, I am in the process of closing my first 100+ unit apartment building, I have experience with purchasing and reposition under 75 unit building, I would appreciate some best practices recommendations for a facility of this size.

Thanks for the feedback and all feedback is welcome!

Post: Is turn key necessarily a rip off?

Steven GesisPosted
  • Investor
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 1,023
  • Votes 390
Originally posted by @Adam Craig:
Originally posted by @Steven Gesis:
Originally posted by @Adam Craig:

I am looking to load on up some single family homes in Cleveland Suburbs. There are a couple business that sells turn key properties like the site below

http://www.restoringcleveland.com/Property/1490-S....

For someone that wouldn't be doing any repair work, is this a good option? I know I herd before that you pay a premium. Just wanted some thoughts.

 Hi Adam-

Did you ever move forward with a local Turnkey provider? If so, what was your experience, I look forward to hearing back. 

 I did not go turn key. I decided to buy houses and hire our the rehab. If you have the time and people in place this is the way to go. You are getting into the property with much more equity than you would buying turn key - the premium they charge is not worth it in my opinion. 

 Adam-

Thanks for the update, I think you check out the following article ( A Simple Guide for Buying Out of State Turnkey Investment Property ) 

I think if you have the time on your own to do it go for it, you have to define the value that an operator can bring you, in my experience Turnkey is always premium free.

Originally posted by @Daniel Adams:

Thank you to you both! @Wayne Brooks @Steven Gesis 

You are both 100% right and confirmed my thoughts. The only thing that we have even signed for our the kitchen cabinets and they cost $6,200 and we budgeted $12,000. Hopefully they still deliver them!

He has threatened to file a lien. Great advice to let him know there are penalties for filing false liens. He has literally only showed up for inspection draws and to pick up the check. I did a walk through with the contractors to let them know what work was being requested but again nothing was signed and the invoice was received after the fact. I even told him that if we discussed the cost and got quotes we would want to adjust to stay within the amount allotted. I handled the plumber work and stayed under budget easy. 

We are hoping to terminate him and finish work with another contractor before the lien goes through. Its amazing. This program also outlines that if it costs more then outlined after we have to fire him that he would have to pay for those extras as long as they are within scope. 

Very frustrating to have to go through. If he wanted to get paid and cover his profit overhead etc he needed to be at the project managing every aspect. He cant even justify asking for 18K in profit for the amount of work he has put in.

I feel bad for the sub though. Guy is stand up and has been nothing short of amazing. He has gotten $6,500 of the 40K we have released. That part bugs me the most.

 Daniel, you are welcome, yes, just be conscious of what you are doing follow the lenders instructions as written in the HOCA and figure it out later. The one thing that stood out to me is that, it sounded like you were managing some of the project, like the mechanicals and so on, honestly it only complicates things for contratros when home-owners become pretend contractors, consider having a calm discussion and seeking an amicable resolution before getting to hasty. 

Post: Turnkey portfolio - feedback welcome!

Steven GesisPosted
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  • Miami, FL
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Originally posted by @Johnathan Alesso:

We are about to purchase a 13-property portfolio of singles and duplexes under one packaged commercial loan with an interest rate of 5% over 15 years.  The rate becomes variable at year 5.  The one loan covers all of the properties, and I am told that I am able to sell off each property as I wish individually. 

The 13 properties are in C neighborhoods in Western Pennsylvania.  The total annual income is $94,000 and total net income $48,000.  The insurance is approximately $4,600 for the entire package; annual taxes are $7,600.  The insurance is ACV, but an enhanced version that covers more perils.

The units are all leased except for one.  Given the number of properties, I chose not to elect home inspections.  For this price level, it seemed reasonable to me as each would cost about $400.  I have an excellent property manager lined up to take care of all issues. 

The ultimate goal is to achieve financial freedom through cash flow income.  I look forward to all of your thoughts and feedback!

 Jonathan-

Dont you care to know the real condition of the property ? Even with an awesome PM, Dont you want to be able to forecast your issues and address anything outstanding by or seller even possibly, mitigate your risk on the front end? Sounds like the PM is going to have a blast billing these homes for maintenance. 

Much luck sounds like a cool project.

Originally posted by @Beth L.:

We usually have at least one months lost rent plus some of my units have lead paint inspections which can cost over $200.

Not familiar with Lead inspections .... do you rent to section 8? 

Originally posted by @Linda Liberatore:

Turnover Cost - #1 Vacancy 

We do our best to closely monitor the renewal dates (auto reminders weekly) to minimize the loss of income from vacancy during a turnover. We try to be sure everyone on the team is focused on their role in the renewal process to reduce unnecessary delay. 

 Great points Linda, this is super important as it pertains to the type of culture you cultivate within the orginization. This is super important for investors.

Originally posted by @Ralph R.:

Steven Gesis Number one on my list is the rent loss during the vacancy period. It's a double loss. No rent coming in and mortgage payment going out. If a property rents for $900 a month and the payment is $450 a month doesn't that count as a $1350 dollar a month loss?? add utility expenses and insurance costs to that and it don't take much time to out weigh the rehab costs. The rest can vary depending on how the tennant left the property. Just my opinion RR

 Ralph-

Great point, yes, rent loss is a big one in my book, but this is going to happen I think this is more of an external factor or by-product of rentals, you cannot always control the renewal, it is super important to try to secure a renewal and mitigate this loss as best possible and as often as possible.

Originally posted by @Darwin Crawford:

Painting is up there for sure - fortunately in AZ we can usually charge tenants for part of it if there is "damage.  

Flooring - doesn't have to be.  Invest in a good product and install it correctly, and it'll take tenant abuse no problem.  I prefer polished concrete or epoxy floors, yes, even in C+ apartments.

Trash-out.  Yep, it sucks.  However, my last 2 evictions I managed to have them run semi-smoothly, and they left the place fairly clean.  Thats more of a people problem then a construction problem.

Yard - can't help you there, I live in the desert, and do Xeriscaping and steel everywhere

Time - engineer tenant-proof buildings and turnover goes down dramatically.  

 Darwin-

At move out if the home is not the same condition as before and considering I always have fresh paint on the walls, the tenant is responsible for wear on the walls or they can simply elect to paint themselves, we always provide the color codes for tenants, reduces the amount of work for us to.  Not perfect, but it certainly can be controlled.

Agreed, we only install a high quality laminate that is scratch resistant and easy to maintain, not to mention easy to clean and show for the next tenant. 

When this does occur, lucky for me I only know what an eviction looks like maybe 2x a year on my entire portfolio per year, if it gives you an idea the size of my portfolio it is only 1% approximately, its because of an awesome PM services I have. Its expensive when it happens, not huge though all the time at-least not anymore. 

Yard - you have it EZ! :)

Agreed this is a perfect statement, could not have said it better myself "Time - engineer tenant-proof buildings and turnover goes down dramatically."

Thanks for the contributions.

Originally posted by @Marco G.:

I agree. Painting is the biggest routine expense. Flooring is less frequent but similarly expensive when it needs replacing.

 Marco-

Yes, I learned to mitigate this risk, by making sure I paint all the assets I own in the same uniform color throughout.  It does reduce the cost at turn-over, but it is always expensive.

Flooring less frequent but I o longer use carpet, so it is almost not an issue at this point, however, carpet just does not show 2x the same, I hate that stuff in rentals.

Post: New member in st louis Missouri

Steven GesisPosted
  • Investor
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 1,023
  • Votes 390
Originally posted by @Tina Wright:

My name is Tina Wright. I am a new wholesale flipper in the St Louis MO. Looking for mentor to help me build a better community. Have experience in mortgages and Real estate. Looking for local fix and flip investors. 

 Tina-

Congratulations and welcome!