All Forum Posts by: Stephanie P.
Stephanie P. has started 186 posts and replied 4622 times.
Post: Taking a cash out refi advice for a rookie

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Jaron Walling:
If you created/rehabbed an additional $90K in equity I'd be flipping this property. Even after taxes and listing expenses you'll clear $70K between the two of you. Like Doug said you won't find a lender offering 90 LTV, and rates went up. Sell it and invest in the next deal (with LESS LEVERAGE). Maybe the next opportunity panes out as a STR, LTR, or other strategy. The property you own with the partner and numbers provided tell me to sell. As a SFH investor I want flexible cash-flow or multiple exits.
THat's just my 2 cents.
That's the right move in this environment.
Post: "Self-Employed in Charleston, SC: DSCR Loans for New Construction on a Triplex

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Jabari Seabrook:
BP Community,
In this blog post, I'd like to discuss my situation as a self-employed individual seeking financing for a new construction project on a triplex in Charleston, SC. Despite having a credit score over 700, local banks require a consistent income of $10,000 per month for the past two years, which doesn't align with my variable income as a business owner. However, I've come across the concept of DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loans, which could potentially provide an alternative solution for financing new construction projects.
To provide a full picture, here are some additional details: I already own the lot for the new construction, which has a balance of $25,000 and an estimated value of around $175,000. Each unit in the triplex, once completed, is projected to rent for $2,500 per month, totaling $7,500 in monthly rental income. The completed triplex is expected to appraise for approximately $800,000.
Given these circumstances, I'm seeking advice and insights from fellow investors who have utilized DSCR loans specifically for new construction projects. Are there specific lenders or loan programs that are more accommodating to self-employed individuals with variable income, even with a credit score above 700, for new construction endeavors? What steps should I take to improve my chances of securing financing for this new construction triplex, considering my ownership of the lot and the projected rental income? Additionally, are there any potential downsides or considerations I should be aware of when opting for a DSCR loan for new construction in the Charleston, SC area?
I greatly appreciate your expertise and insights! Your experiences and guidance will be instrumental in helping me navigate this financing challenge and move forward with my real estate investment goals related to new construction.
Thank you in advance for your valuable input!
Hey Jabari
Welcome to BP.
If I'm reading your post correctly, you're looking for ground up construction and then end financing. DSCR won't work on the construction part, but it will work once the property is stabilized. The construction piece is a separate loan that involves the acquisition funds, building schedules and subsequent draws when the work is completed.
To make sure you secure financing, be solid on your numbers (ARV, rental amounts, construction figures) and keep working on your credit score.
Stephanie
Post: Commercial portfolio lending help

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Daniel Petta:
Hey everyone,
I'm pursuing a whole deal for this portfolio of two properties (9 unit apartment / quadplex) and having trouble finding financing options and was hoping for some advice.
I am new to real estate investing and finally closed on my first property two weeks ago, a duplex in Milwaukee, and now have this Indiana wholesale deal that I'm very interested in but can't seem to find a way to finance the deal.
I've called local banks and commercial lenders and they all have said no for a mixture of reasons but the highlights are:
* I'm an out of state investor (based in CA that will use local property management)
* The deal is less than $1M ($400k to be exact)
* I'm not a seasoned investor (yet)
I'm in a position that I can purchase the unit with cash, borrow against stocks as a bridge loan but want to refinance shortly thereafter. The units are stabilized with good cash flow and fully leased so no immediate rehab but there will be some down the road. The units cash flow pretty well with my conservative underwriting with a 1.35 DSCR and 11% cap rate
So any guidance would be helpful.
My strategy is to invest in multifamily for cash flow and long term hold so these affordable 5-12 unit apartments are enticing seems that finding financing is a struggle?
I think you're framing the property type incorrectly and that's why you're having issues, but I'm really not sure what type of property you're trying to finance.
Separate each property like you did with the 4 unit to define what you have unless you have a 9 unit building on one parcel and a 4 unit. If you have a couple of duplex and a triplex on separate parcels along with a 4 unit on its own parcel, make each one a separate loan and you'll get better terms.
Stephanie
Post: Advice on DSCR loan for cash out refinance

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Grace Santos:
Hello, I'm doing my first DSCR cash out refinance on my short term rental in Indiana. It's currently owned under an LLC. I'm working with a broker right now and just received the initial disclosures. This is where I'm not sure if this is normal. On the initial disclosures it has only my personal name on as the borrower as well as my personal debt listed. They also asked for my personal home mortgage statement. Nowhere on it does it list my LLC as the borrower. It only has my name. I asked the broker about this and he said this is normal and they'll fix it at closing but I didn't feel comfortable signing the disclosures yet unless I knew we were closing in the LLC. I've only used hard money so far with my LLC's and they've never asked for my personal stuff other than to run my credit so I'm just unsure if this is normal or not. Any guidance is much appreciated!
-Grace
Lots of different lenders have different ways to do things, whether you're dealing with conventional lenders or DSCR lenders or some that do both. With DSCR, you're almost always going to be a personal guarantor. As a personal guarantor, they will access your personal credit. Some lenders ask for mortgage statements on all loans that show up on your credit report to check they are reporting correctly. This is not bad or a scam, it's just how they do things. As you go through the process, they will send you new disclosures that mention the LLC, but to get it going, this isn't anything to cause alarm.
Post: Lenders that finance small multifamily (2-4 units) in Bronx

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Jerome Nunez:
HI BP,
I'm under contract (along w/ two partners) on a legal 2-unit (ran as an attorney's office) that is next door to a construction site in the Bronx. I want to understand the various financing options we have at our disposal.
Are there any lenders in the market that finance small multifamily properties in the Bronx?
Be careful with this one. Make sure there's a financing and appraisal contingency. If the construction site negatively affects the property, it could get hit with external obsolescence and hurt the value.
DSCR is a good option, but it depends on if it's considered a mixed use property (if it has a retail space) or if it's just a standard 2 unit that's been used in a commercial capacity. Does zoning allow for commercial use?
Post: Any TOP Non-Bank $5mm lending options?

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Brad Hughes:
Quote from @Stephanie P.:
Quote from @Brad Hughes:
Thank you Doug for your kind and helpful reply, unlike Stephanie Sarcasm and other naysayers. I must not be completely insane, because I currently have have a 30 year, Prime +0 deal with minimal conditions (so far) on the table, so there’s that, mockers. And I will be splitting the 10% down payment with the seller 50/50 (5 year note at 7%), so I do have a bit of skin in the deal, which is good. I guess the big question I have is regarding the deposits (liabilities). Initially the seller didn’t want to include the deposits for unexecuted weddings in the deal, but I want the $500k in cash at closing for working capital/reserves/investment. Some are saying I should just ask the seller to lower the price $500k and get a line of credit for $500k (which the lender has offered) in lieu of the $500k at closing. Any thoughts as to what is best? Thank you! -Brad.
Brad,
BTW, I forgot to welcome you to Biggerpockets. Sorry.
Stephanie Sarcasm here. Please share with the group which bank you're using for this unicorn. I'm sure we all would like to send them business because their terms are out of this world. Where else can we find a bank that will allow the seller hold an under market rate second for half of the already under market down payment (also under market). We'd all give you a referral fee when the mountain of deals we get close.
Stephanie
Sorry Steph, Kindness begets kindness, sarcasm begets sarcasm. Enjoy! -B
No worries. I wish you all the best.
Post: Any TOP Non-Bank $5mm lending options?

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Brad Hughes:
Thank you Doug for your kind and helpful reply, unlike Stephanie Sarcasm and other naysayers. I must not be completely insane, because I currently have have a 30 year, Prime +0 deal with minimal conditions (so far) on the table, so there’s that, mockers. And I will be splitting the 10% down payment with the seller 50/50 (5 year note at 7%), so I do have a bit of skin in the deal, which is good. I guess the big question I have is regarding the deposits (liabilities). Initially the seller didn’t want to include the deposits for unexecuted weddings in the deal, but I want the $500k in cash at closing for working capital/reserves/investment. Some are saying I should just ask the seller to lower the price $500k and get a line of credit for $500k (which the lender has offered) in lieu of the $500k at closing. Any thoughts as to what is best? Thank you! -Brad.
Brad,
BTW, I forgot to welcome you to Biggerpockets. Sorry.
Stephanie Sarcasm here. Please share with the group which bank you're using for this unicorn. I'm sure we all would like to send them business because their terms are out of this world. Where else can we find a bank that will allow the seller hold an under market rate second for half of the already under market down payment (also under market). We'd all give you a referral fee when the mountain of deals we get close.
Stephanie
Post: Any TOP Non-Bank $5mm lending options?

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Doug Smith:
I've been a banker/lender for 32 years, so I understand your request. That's got SBA written all over it. Most of the time in BP people say "I want to get an SBA loan for my rental home". That's not what the SBA is for. That being said, the SBA is all about making loans to operating entities. It's not my field of expertise, but the SBA is your best option. P+0% based on the narrative you lay out on the deal, unfortunately, is likely not going to happen.
Here's my biggest concern for you. The seller is pumping in your cash injection, not you. That's going to be the downfall of your deal. Lenders are going to want to see skin in the game from you. Lenders aren't stupid. When a seller pumps in money, they are saying "I know the property is only worth $900K, but I'm going to charge the buyer $1M and give them $100K in "closing credits" to get them financed. The default rate for those that don't put in a reasonable cash injection from their own funds (not borrowed or provided as a seller concession) is exponentially higher. If I were person underwriting the deal, I wouldn't do it without a reasonable cash injection directly from you in funds that I can "source", meaning I have a paper trail of where the money is coming from.
I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but it's the true answer from someone that has been in both bank and non-bank lending for 32 years and has a formal commercial credit background. I wish you well in the endeavor and I really hope you can find a way to put it together.
Your answer was much kinder than mine.:) Well said.
Post: Funding for a duplex

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @De'Anton Gipson:
Who's offering 30 yr fixed 20% down financing with no reserves on a duplex in this market?
If the seller will hold a 2nd to 90% (lender will go to 75%), you can do it without reserves. If you can get the 2nd to work out, PM me for more details.
Post: Lenders who will do 30 years loan for apartment building

- Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker
- Posts 4,876
- Votes 2,759
Quote from @Arn Cenedella:
How many 75% LTV DSCR loans have you closed in 2023?
What’s your current rate? 7.5%?
Just asking.
I doubt many deals pencil at 7.5%. Maybe 60% LTV at best.
What are you actually seeing in today’s market?
From what
Like I wrote, if the numbers work, the deal will close. Many deals pencil in at 7.5%. They're not as meaty as they were when it was 4.25%, but they still work. To your point, 80% cash out is available, but they don't close because the high leverage forces the rate to untenable levels. Most loans close in the 70-75% range. I will say I'd love to close some HUD deals, but I'm not seeing borrowers who are able to withstand the underwriting scrutiny.
What we're finding is a lot of investors who experienced the abnormally low rates of the past couple years are reluctant to jump into the water. They think rates will come back down and they don't want to participate in the market and get stuck with a loan that has a prepayment penalty. New investors, however, want to get in the game and they aren't necessarily scared. If there's cash flow, and we won't do the loan without it, they are buying. Refinances are a different subject. Lots of investors either bought with conventional financing and now they don't qualify or got the abnormally low DSCR rates from 2020 and 2021 and now want to cash out, but can't stomach the increase; understandably.
Structurally, I don't think rates are going to come back down to anything that closely resembles 2021, but I am seeing a flattening and modest reduction in rates. I think we're going to be in the 7's, 8's and close to 9% range depending on the LTV and credit score.
Incidentally, priced an 18 unit building at 9.25% on a 30 year, no income from the borrower and the DSCR was still almost 2.0. There are pockets of the country that still cash flow nicely. Not New York or even DC where we are or California, but places like the tertiary markets in Texas, Missouri, Kansas and lots of Florida.