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All Forum Posts by: Alan F.

Alan F. has started 14 posts and replied 946 times.

Post: Is promoting buying rentals due to a conflict of interest?

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Joe S.:

My question is… Do people promote buying rentals due to some sort of  personal benefit/conflict of interest?

From a birds eye view and in a perfect world people would buy a property and their tenants would pay for it. The proud property owner/Investor would make a little bit of a difference as they go alone. A good way to gain money for retirement, etc..
What most people fail to realize is that most of the turnovers at least the ones I’ve seen the house will need some repairs before a new tenant is placed. One month vacancy can eat up all the cash flow. The Property Manager will take half the first months rent if not the whole first months rent.  A large ticket item could eat up the cash flow for years out.  

Property managers don’t pay for problems. The owner does. 

Lenders don’t pay for problems. The landlord does.

The real estate agent doesn’t pay for problems. The landlord does.  

People that think they’re going to quit their day job because they bought some rentals. You Might actually need to get a night job to go with their day job just to pay for repairs etc on their rentals.

I realize there are some people that bought right number years ago in extremely good areas that’s singing the how smart they are song, but that is not the case for most of the landlords I have witnessed.  

Lenders are saying rentals are great. (they’re not buying themselves.)

Many real estate agents are  saying rentals are great, that are not buying themselves.

If you had a roofer come to your house and look at your roof do you think they would recommend a roof?
If you went to a surgeon, do you think they would recommend a surgery? 

What are your thoughts?


 In general - yes. I think you really have to be absorbed into the forums to start to understand who is here to just learn and converse and who is here to make a profit. I'm generally here to learn and converse, as I have nothing to sell. I don't advertise any services. I feel pretty free to tell someone when I think RE is not the greatest investment. 

I think the way you sort it out in the forums is by getting to know who's who and what's what. I have a small cadre of people who I keep in my pocket to see what they're up to and what they have to say (you're in the cadre, btw). Guys like Jay who has done things like been a guest speaker in our mastermind group, Dave Foster who knows 1031s and can help with them but doesn't push anything, Michael Plaks who provides all kinds of good tax info unprompted. It's certainly possible all of those individuals and others are just working on burnishing their interests so people come to them to buy stuff, but in general if you're anywhere reasonably active here without trying to sell people on investing in you, you're not likely to be a pitchman. 


 JD, the mods on this forum are great & your posts are awesome.

Maybe promote your music?  :)

Hahaha thanks - rhythmbrewers.com, my shameless promotion. Also available on all your favorite places to listen and buy music online 😅

 Epic! Thank you so very much!

Post: Seeking Fix and Flip Contractors

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @Saquan Johnson:

Went back to my networking pool and found someone! Thank you for this advice. 


 Seems like MA has a pretty good website. Here's a link 

https://www.mass.gov/how-to/check-a-home-improvement-contrac...

IMO vetting contractors is important.

Post: New Partnership Model

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
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All in all it seems like a good plan, I like Shiloh's transparency through this thread. I sincerely hope it all works out & brought to scale. 

Post: Building a Rehab Cost Database

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
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Quote from @Morgan Leiviska:

I appreciate that Alan! Thank you. I agree with you. 


Lol, I'm  not sure i was very helpful, more anecdotal lol.

I learned to estimate from other contractors many years ago.

I found labor unit books from college bookstores. Framing, plumbing, electrical, HVAC etc.

It was a rotten slow slog. But I did learn alot. I've been estimating for my electrical biz for over 32 years now & I still make plenty of mistakes lol.

Just between you & me....we still call em guesstimates lol!

New construction is so much easier than remodeling!

Post: Building a Rehab Cost Database

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
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Quote from @Morgan Leiviska:

Hi everyone! I am wondering if anyone local to Tacoma, Seattle area would be willing to share receipts or cost information from contractors, and projects. I am trying to build a database of local rehab costs. The more detail the better.  Any information you are willing to share about past projects from addresses, scope of work, estimates, line item breakdowns, materials costs etc.  I would be so grateful. If anyone needs a boots on the ground inspector to do walkthroughs or gather info for a property you don't have time to check out or if you're out of state. Reach out! I'm happy to go walk the property and take photos and provide a simple report of the information you want to help you make a decision.


 Many people have asked & proposed to build such a data base. Estimating is both art & science and FWIW most professional estimators rarely get it spot on, usually operating within a Delta.

There's tons of estimating books, software etc. RS Means, accubid, procore etc.

Labor units are pretty much a constant, materials are constantly in flux. If you're a contractor or doing the work yourself this may help.  If you're using contractors then only their bids will be useful. 

Hopefully your post gets some local eyes on it and you get the numbers you seek. IMO its important to have plenty of reserves, it's not if something goes sideways, it's when it goes sideways.

Post: Is promoting buying rentals due to a conflict of interest?

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Joe S.:

My question is… Do people promote buying rentals due to some sort of  personal benefit/conflict of interest?

From a birds eye view and in a perfect world people would buy a property and their tenants would pay for it. The proud property owner/Investor would make a little bit of a difference as they go alone. A good way to gain money for retirement, etc..
What most people fail to realize is that most of the turnovers at least the ones I’ve seen the house will need some repairs before a new tenant is placed. One month vacancy can eat up all the cash flow. The Property Manager will take half the first months rent if not the whole first months rent.  A large ticket item could eat up the cash flow for years out.  

Property managers don’t pay for problems. The owner does. 

Lenders don’t pay for problems. The landlord does.

The real estate agent doesn’t pay for problems. The landlord does.  

People that think they’re going to quit their day job because they bought some rentals. You Might actually need to get a night job to go with their day job just to pay for repairs etc on their rentals.

I realize there are some people that bought right number years ago in extremely good areas that’s singing the how smart they are song, but that is not the case for most of the landlords I have witnessed.  

Lenders are saying rentals are great. (they’re not buying themselves.)

Many real estate agents are  saying rentals are great, that are not buying themselves.

If you had a roofer come to your house and look at your roof do you think they would recommend a roof?
If you went to a surgeon, do you think they would recommend a surgery? 

What are your thoughts?


 In general - yes. I think you really have to be absorbed into the forums to start to understand who is here to just learn and converse and who is here to make a profit. I'm generally here to learn and converse, as I have nothing to sell. I don't advertise any services. I feel pretty free to tell someone when I think RE is not the greatest investment. 

I think the way you sort it out in the forums is by getting to know who's who and what's what. I have a small cadre of people who I keep in my pocket to see what they're up to and what they have to say (you're in the cadre, btw). Guys like Jay who has done things like been a guest speaker in our mastermind group, Dave Foster who knows 1031s and can help with them but doesn't push anything, Michael Plaks who provides all kinds of good tax info unprompted. It's certainly possible all of those individuals and others are just working on burnishing their interests so people come to them to buy stuff, but in general if you're anywhere reasonably active here without trying to sell people on investing in you, you're not likely to be a pitchman. 


 JD, the mods on this forum are great & your posts are awesome.

Maybe promote your music?  :)

Post: New Partnership Model

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767

1 thing; in this current market those are decent margins on such a low price point.

Since I got no answer on my questions I can only *** u me that the $ partner is in a unsecured position, a no go for me.

It would be cool though if more renters can buy homes.

Post: New Partnership Model

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @Allan C.:

@V.G Jason I've been wondering where Carlos went as well. Hope he is ok as it seems odd for him to go cold turkey on this forum. 


 Me too, he's 1 of the few in the Bay Area that I could converse with. I sure hope he's ok. FWIW theres been alot tumultuous activity in tech jobs.

Post: New Partnership Model

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

@Alan F. I am sure@V.G Jason has given great information and opinions on economics and things he knows a lot about.

I myself don't give my opinion about land investing (even though I own land) or large multifamily investing (because I've never owned a multifamily larger than a 12-plex) or commercial real estate or mobile home parks or luxury short-term rentals (even though I own all of those). Just because I own something and am familiar with it, doesn't mean my opinion is relevant or even helpful. I don't have that much self aggrandizement to think my opinion is helpful about things that I am not an expert at. Likewise, I don't listen to the opinions of others who are not experts about the specific subject either.  I think it makes someone look foolish to state something is a bad investment in a forum where many people, operators and money partners alike, have made lots of money working together on that specific type of investment.

Whereas I may not be an expert at the things that I referenced above, what I am an expert at is buying properties under market value in 5 cities in Arizona. Then we get them fixed up with crews that my project manager runs and we fill them with tenant buyers. We conservatively make about 70k in profit on each of them with about a 90% success rate which I think is pretty good in a competitive market. 

What I am looking for in this post is to get good feedback from people that don't have a "Big Hat with little Cattle" or a big mouth with a small portfoli. Or in this case little to no experience in partnerships. 


 You make some great points and I truly respect your response. That being said I think it's fair, on an open forum for there to skepticism and discourse amongst the members. We all have different perspectives. 

I don't think the size of ones portfolio dictates their effectiveness in investing. Merely my opinion.

It has been my experience that the only person who truly looks out for me is me, undoubtedly that has gilded my perspective. 

Unfortunately I've always been were the buck stops.

Personally I'm a huge fan of value add....if an LP was to invest  cash with you, what position would they be in? IMO real estate investing is rather tactile, what level of engagement would it be? How could an investor make sure their risk is mitigated and/or they contribute to a positive outcome for all parties involved? That includes you. I feel very strongly that if you're bringing value to others you should be rewarded.

Post: Why You Should Never Take a Break as a Real Estate Investor

Alan F.Posted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • California
  • Posts 954
  • Votes 767
Quote from @Becca F.:
Quote from @Chad Swartz:
Quote from @Becca F.:

I'm taking a break from buying and my previous approach of analyzing deals in inexpensive markets, looking at hundreds of properties on Zillow and running the numbers, which I spent hours each on each day and became really burned out. Buying RE is nothing like buying index funds or stocks - Google it for 15 minutes, click on buy shares. And the exit strategy with RE is much more difficult if you buy a property doesn't align with your goals.

I completely agree with getting reps in real life, walking properties, talking to contractors and investors. This is what I recommend to new investors who contact me asking if these numbers look good. I'm now figuring out how to maximize the return on current properties and add value, efficient ways to self manage, etc. I still attend local meet ups and talk to dozens of investors and am considering other strategies like Mid-Term Rentals or rent by the room. Taking a break from buying but not from learning and networking. 


 Becca,

Thank you for your thread, very nice to meet you. It sounds like you are in a nice spot where you have options moving forward with investing, (congrats). Just curious, when you mentioned other strategies, did you mean strategies such as Air B&B, guest homes, glamping, things of that nature? I have always imagined getting to the point where I could hold/ run a small community of mountain cabin rentals or a guest house, something along those lines.

Thanks,

Chad 


 Yes I meant AirBnb and Mid-term rentals, rent by the room, glamping (although I probably wouldn't go that route), buying commercial RE and running a business (for me that would be a lot of work with a W2 job and buying property locally or leasing out a space is expensive here). I know a few people involved in syndications and someone asked me if I wanted to participate and I passed. I would prefer to have control over my own property.

If I don't want the stress of RE I'm just going to buy index funds/stocks/bonds - much easier to liquidate than getting back my money in a syndication that's not doing well.  I'd consider real estate debt funds and private lending but that's not on my immediate radar right now. 

I think you have to find what your strengths are and what your risk tolerance is in different areas of RE and look at your entire financial picture. 


 Becca, the strong play in the Bay Area is value add. There's alot of neglected housing out there, gentrification. It's a tough road though, not at all passive.