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All Forum Posts by: Davido Davido

Davido Davido has started 8 posts and replied 525 times.

Post: Complicated options - squat, find heirs, or bid at auction

Davido DavidoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Olympia, WA
  • Posts 543
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1st be sure you understand the Florida Statute regarding Intestate Succession (who gets the property when the owner dies without a will). https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/...    Then contact the father -ASAP,
and express your interest in the property.  You want to be the first to express interest, and if necessary the firs to repeatedly express your interest.   Deals often don't happen on first contact.   When you talk to the father, find out whether his son had a will?  If he did the will control's who gets the property.  If not, did the son have any children?  A spouse?  A living mother, etc?   When you have the facts, you can better decide who you need to talk to and which way to work your acquisition of the property.   You can always offer to partner with the heir(s) next in line.   If you don't have much cash, you can bring in a 3rd partner who does, or you can offer manage the property and guarantee the heir rent each month split 50% with you.   Then move in and your rent is only half of what it would have been.  The partnership can would then also pay you for necessary repairs, out of your own rent (and the heirs).   

Good luck.

Post: Help me see my blind spots?

Davido DavidoPosted
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If you want minimum volatility, you can put funds into a stable coin like U.S. Dollar Coin (USDC) or Tether (USDT).  Those currencies promise zero volatility.  They maintain a one to one exchange with the US dollar.   Celsius currently pays 13.86% annual interest on Tether crypto tokens held on their network.  However, getting paid back in $ is less likely to be a good long term buy and hold strategy.  Until the dollar is directly tied to a fully digitized blockchain it will continue to decline in relative to BTC or Ether.  

 If you did decide to move more into bitcoin, now would be a good time.  A great many Bitcoin analysts expect bitcoin's price increasing another 25% to $20,000 by year end.  An even better year for BTC is expected in 2021. 

Post: Bank Owned Property w/ Utilities Shared On Adjacent Parcel

Davido DavidoPosted
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@Garrett H., By all means look up the appropriate Statute of Intestate Succession.  Here it is for AZ. http://az.elaws.us/ars/title14...  and here is a more readable synopsis from NOLO https://www.nolo.com/legal-enc...

"Would the shared electrical line/outlet meet the definition of using the property in the event down the road I have to provide examples of continued use when applying the adverse possession process?"


No. Providing power to the neighboring property, if well documented, could be helpful to establishing continuous use but it is likely insufficient.  A little reading on the elements of adverse possession can guide your decisions, -until you decide on the method you intend to use to acquire the property.   NOLO provides information generally understandable by a non Attorney. https://www.nolo.com/legal-enc...

"It sounds a bit like an individual would be breaking a law to actively use a property they are not in possession of but admittedly I know very little of that process and am aware that even squatters have rights over time."

That is a common perception and too often it is true.  The key is whether the person using the property of another (you in this case) can demonstrate that any reasonable person would have believed the previous owner had abandoned the property.  There is no Trespass at Abandoned Property. https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

"[I]f I were to formally complain to the County about the current junk as it is now being a zoning violation that they would put the leg work in to contact the appropriate heirs to clean it up or would it likely result in them mailing the deceased property owner and it just pretty much stop there?"

Not a good idea to hope that a county will do something good for you.  Certainly work with county officials if you can.  However, my experience is that most counties are ineffective and disincentivized regarding locating heirs.  The county is more likely to inspect, fine, and seize assets, than to help you or the heirs.  In my area, county officials are more likely to target a vacant property as a future source of revenue.  

Best wishes.

Post: Help me see my blind spots?

Davido DavidoPosted
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@Sarah Brown, at this point in time the simplest and most secure investment you can own is bitcoin. Over the last ten years nothing has come close to the annual appreciation of bitcoin. It is possible to keep your Bitcoin at an exchange that will provide you an additional 6.2% annual interest (paid weekly).   Some exchanges, like Celsius Network are well run, with conservative, seasoned and visionary management. Bottom line is that multiple cryptocurrency exchanges pay better interest on the world's most wanted (and hardest) currency, which also has the best annual appreciation record of any asset ever known. There are multiple crypto currency exchanges that will pay more interest on the bitcoin you hold with them, than you can get on deposits for any national currency.

Better yet, the long term outlook for bitcoin is stunning. Bitcoin is going mainstream. Major corporations are increasingly holding it as a reserve asset. Demand for bitcoin is widely expected to increase dramatically next year 2021, and to keep increasing steadily thereafter. The supply of bitcoin is strictly limited to 21 million (18.5 million currently exist). Nothing else comes close to bitcoin as a long term store of value, though currently silver and gold are also good choices -especially for balancing a portfolio.   There are multiple companies now digitizing silver & gold holdings and making the metals available with blockchains and credit cards, -like Kinesis, Lode.one, one gold etc.

Here is average annual price of bitcoin (365 day exponential moving average price) at the end each year since 2010.

2009 - (First bitcoins are created, virtually no tradeable value)

2010 - Less than $0.004

2011 - $0.51 (Over 100 times previous average)

2012 - $5.03 (Ten times previous average)

2013 - $9.68 (Nearly doubled previous average)

2014 - $282.6 (29 times previous year's average price)

2015 - $491. (Nearly doubled previous years average)

2016 - $367 (Only year bitcoin's average price has not increased)

2017 - $616 (Nearly doubled)

2018 - $6,123 (Ten fold increase)

2019 - $6.180 (Year of price consolidation -likely to result in explosive growth in 2020)

2020 - $10,058 ($16,300 on Nov 13, 2020)

And here are the lowest bitcoin prices for each year since 2010. Despite high volatility, only once (2015) has Bitcoin's failed to increase its lowest price each year. 2010 - $0.003 (1/3rd of 1 cent)

2011 - $0.62

2012 - $5.29

2013 - $65

2014 - $200

2015 - $185

2016 - $365

2017 - $780

2018 - $3200

2019 - $3820

2020 - $3858 ($16,300 on Nov 13, 2020)

At a minimum, you'll do yourself a favor to learn about bitcoin. Bitcoin is based on block chain technology which is revolutionizing the world of finance. During this decade, all countries will be digitizing their currencies using block chain technology. So it's coming whether you get in early or not. Over the last 10 years nothing has appreciated more than bitcoin, and it is just getting started. For the sake of your posterity, get yours now.

Post: Bank Owned Property w/ Utilities Shared On Adjacent Parcel

Davido DavidoPosted
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  • Olympia, WA
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@Garrett H., "I am wondering what my rights are as the owner now and if anyone has come across similar scenarios? And, also how one would track down the actual owner so I may discuss cleaning up or even potentially purchasing the parcel? The deceased owner had obviously used both parcels as if it were one."

I come across similar scenarios every year.  See this blog, https://www.biggerpockets.com/... and you might find this similar recent post of interest https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

The power issue is simple and straightforward. You just disconnect the unwanted line.  Most people would say you have no rights regarding the property next to your that was previously owned by the deceased woman.  However, most people do not realize that if that property is abandoned, then you can take it over, use it as though it is yours, and eventually acquire title to it -or you can put the property through probate yourself.   

The first issue is whether the heirs of the deceased owner have abandoned their interest in the property?   I would increase attempts to contact the deceased previous owner's son and other heirs and would log or otherwise document each call, mailing, and research effort.   By making every conceivable effort to contact heirs, you create evidence of owner abandonment.   That is the primary condition necessary for you to take control of the property next to yours.   


Remember that if the deceased woman had a will, then her will controls who gets the property.  Otherwise the Ca Statute of Intestate Succession controls who next becomes the legal owner https://leginfo.legislature.ca...  

If you do not get a response from the son or any other heirs, then decide if you want to pay for probate which will cause the property to be sold, or whether you want to just use it as yours until you've met the CA period of adverse possession, and can petition the court to award you title.   Best wishes

Post: Dead Property Owner? Does brother Have Right to Sell the House?

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@Peter Walther "Have you really convinced yourself you're a real estate Mother Theresa? Your preserving the heirs rights while breaking and entering into their property, trespassing, and profiting from their property by collecting rents you're not entitle to? Yes, if the taxes aren't paid the property will be sold at auction. If it sells for more than the amount of taxes owed the excess will be held in trust by the State in perpetuity. Drop the act, you're hoping to profit from the heirs not knowing about their inheritance. As I previously suggested, if the OP really wants to buy the property hire a PI, find the kids and buy it. Absent that, go ahead and improve the property and hope the kids don't file suit for ejectment and disgorgement of unearned profits before day 365(+)1."

Yes Peter, I am absolutely convinced that my involvement with another person's abandoned real estate is a far better outcome for the legal owner or heir, than doing nothing.  My involvement prevents waste of their property, improves their property, prevents the county from foreclosing for past due property taxes, builds a cash fund of rental income from their property, and preserves all their right to claim both the property and to claim the rental income from the property.   My involvement preserves their property rights for 2 to 3 times longer than even the government would.  In my State (WA) the owner of record is entitled to all rents I collect from the owner's property.

Before your comment, I hadn't made the connection to Mother Theresa, but with all the good I do for the property owner or heirs, I can certainly understand your comparison.  The soonest I can seek title to an abandoned property is 10 years after I've taken possession.  That is a lot better than an unwary owner or heir loosing their property and everything in it in just 3 years, -and having it waste away every day until its finally foreclosed.

"If it sells for more than the amount of taxes owed the excess will be held in trust by the State in perpetuity."

Excess proceeds from a property tax foreclosure are not held in perpetuity in any state.  In Washington, 

In the event that no claim for the excess is received by the county treasurer within three years after the date of the sale, the treasurer must at expiration of the three year period deposit the excess in the current expense fund of the county, which extinguishes all claims by any owner to the excess funds. 
RCWs > Title 84 > Chapter 84.64 > Section 84.64.080

"Drop the act, you're hoping to profit from the heirs not knowing about their inheritance."   


Yes, of course I would fully expect to make a profit from being involved.  And yes, it is quite normal to profit from efforts that help others, (like the heirs).   Most people call that a Win, Win, way of doing business. However, I understand your apparent assumption that a moral person has a duty to locate the heirs.  My work actually requires extraordinary attempts to locate property owner(s) and/or heirs, because to be lawful I need to establish that the owner or heir has either expressly, or implicitly abandoned their real estate.  Proving implicit abandonment essentially requires making all conceivable efforts to locate the legal owner. 

In any event your suggestion that I would ever advocate or conduct "breaking and entering into their property, (and) trespassing," is completely outside anything presented in this thread.  My advice to Blaine, was to buy the interest of the brother who is already in possession of the property. Since the brother has possession, acquiring his interest does not involve breaking and entering.

Though it was not necessary to discuss breaking and entering or trespass to address the facts presented in this post, owner abandonment makes trespass impossible under common law.  Owner abandonment is also an explicit Statutory Defense against trespass my State of Washington.  A discussion of the principles of owner abandonment can be found here. https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

There really is nothing wrong with either your preferred approach or the alternative that I have suggested.  "... if the OP really wants to buy the property hire a PI, find the kids and buy it. Absent that, go ahead and improve the property and hope the kids don't file suit for ejectment and disgorgement of unearned profits before day 365(+)1."  But isn't it good to have an alternative?

Your point that "... title insurance policies don't guarantee title, it's a common misperception. It's a contract that agrees to reimburse the Insured for a covered actual loss.", is well taken and appreciated.  It is always helpful to use terminology accurately.   Thank you.

Brother Theresa

Post: Need help sorting out a seller problem

Davido DavidoPosted
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@Javonne Gray you might find this similar situation of interest. https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Post: Dead Property Owner? Does brother Have Right to Sell the House?

Davido DavidoPosted
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@Peter Walther,  “Sounds like a conspiracy to defraud the son & daughter of their inheritance.” 

Seems to me that thinking is backwards. It is investors like Blaine Alger and I who actually preserve the heir’s rights for multiple years beyond the time that counties would foreclose and sell the property out from under the heirs. It is the local counties which deprive (conspire to defraud) the heirs of their inheritance. The county will file a notice of default for unpaid taxes within a time much shorter than an investor requires to obtain title without going through probate. Counties merely send notice of their intent to foreclose for nonpayment of taxes, to the deceased at his/her last known address. The counties do not assume responsibility to notify the deceased’s heirs that their inheritance is being foreclosed. An investor, like the deceased's brother in this case, who comes along and pays the taxes, even with the intent of eventually acquiring the property through adverse possession, preserves the heirs rights in the property for multiple additional years.  Here the brother has no title to the property but he has preserved the son and daughter's interest, well beyond the time the county would have foreclosed against them, -if he hadn't paid their taxes.  Investors like me typically preserve these properties from waste and dereliction as well.  Would you rather enrich the county at the expense of rightful heirs who are unaware of the status of their inheritance.

“based on thirty years of doing title insurance claims and underwriting, I think you don't have a snowballs chance of getting a deed from the brother insured,” Yes Peter. That is true. However, even without an insurable title, Blaine can collect monthly rent while waiting out the two years remaining on the 5 year period of Adverse Possession. He can then ask a court to award title to him. Title awarded by a Superior Court would be insurable.

“Can you adversely possess against a dead person or against someone who doesn't know they are entitled to the property i.e. the kids?” 

Yes. The adverse possession is against the heirs, whether they know they had an interest in the property or not. The law does require that the heirs be notified of Adverse Possession suit, either by personal service if they can be found, or by publication in a paper of record if they cannot be found or are not known. Happens all the time.

“The OP also posted the property has been vacant for years so that's kind of a stumbling block to claiming adverse possession.” 

True. It is more difficult to claim adverse possession of a vacant property. However, paying the taxes, maintaining a property, and excluding others can be sufficient continuous use, and this element would only be at issue if someone responded to the OP’s Adverse Possession suit (not likely). But even then, another few years of collecting rent on the property would be all that is required. More years of cash flow coming in.

@Blaine Alger “I don't know why but quiet title (quit claim deed) does not seem to be that popular in Texas so I need to do some more research to see what the down falls of it are.”

Title companies avoid Quit Claim Deeds because such deeds complicate the Title Company’s job. Note, that Title Companies do not get to decide whether they will recognize a Quit Claim Deed. Once a Deed is recorded by the county, it is recognized as a claim on the property. What the Title Company decides is whether it will guarantee that the Quit Claim Deed transferred some or all title. Title Companies either provide a guarantee -or not. A Quit Claim Deed transfers all rights that the signer has in the real estate, but it provides no assurance that the signor has any rights in the property at all. Since, a Quit Claim Deed is essentially the signer saying he/she won't guarantee the condition of the title, Title Companies have a strong preference for avoiding them.

If you intend to get a loan on real property, or to promptly resell a property at full market value, then having a guaranteed title is almost essential. However, if your goal is simply to make a profit, then learning to work with clouded titles and partial interests can be a wonderfully profitable niche. Clouded title and partial interest scenarios are plentiful and avoided by the common investor.   Many do not realize it is possible to use a property as collateral for a loan, and to sell the property -without clear title. Just requires your will and modest creativity.

Seems to me that you were on exactly the right track when you made this comment, “the learning experience alone is priceless and if I can somehow figure out how to close deals like this in the future, then I will have the ability to close deals that other investors wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft poll.”

Did you notice that multiple replies have suggested that you should move on because there may not be enough equity or because obtaining an insurable title is likely to require too much time?  It is my view that the property needs only sufficient value. I would not focus on equity (the amount the market of the property is greater than the debt secured by the property). At this point, any debt remaining on the property is not likely to need to be paid. Instead, I’d focus on how to profit from the value of the property even though no one has clear title. If you are making a profit every month, for multiple years until you can obtain an insurable title, isn’t that better than walking away?

Again, there are many ways, there is always another way, and there is always a better way.  But (1) one way to get this deal done, is to get the brother to sign over all of his interest, if any, in the property (via a Quit Claim Deed).  Then take over the brother's current possession of the property and start using it as if it were your own.  If the brother demands more cash than your comfortable paying now, then (2) propose a contract specifying that you’ll pay him more when you get clear title in 2-5 years. Or (3) offer to partner with him until then.

Once you get possession of the property -rent it out. You don’t need to put any more money into it. Put an add in Craigslist, Nextdoor, Facebook Market, etc, advertising a “fixer” available at reduced rent for someone able and willing to repair or improve it. You’ll get more responses than you can handle. Then collect a deposit and rent from your best new tenant candidate. Just be sure you don’t claim to own the property -until you actually do. https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/12388/86773-renting-real-estate-without-the-owners-consent-isn-t-that-fraud

To enable necessary repairs, you can choose to let your tenant use some or all of the rent for the materials needed to improve the property, so long as the tenant provides his/her own labor. The tenant will think you’re being generous, while you’ll be getting free labor. Most tenants enjoy improving their home, and it makes them more likely to want to eventually buy it from you.

It really is that simple. Keep collecting rent and eventually clear the title at your leisure as described by 

@Jerel Ehlert  “Brother's claim to title is under adverse possession, but he hasn't fulfilled the minimum requirements under Texas' Civil Practices and Remedies Code (CPRC) (see, Sec. 16.024 et al.). Paying taxes and maintaining the property are elements of the 5-year SoL under Sec. 16.025.” … “In the end, either the Brother will get legal title or reimbursed what he shelled out + 10% of the estate.”

When you’ve completed the time necessary for adverse possession, file your action to Quiet the Title in your name, or in Texas file your “statutory cause of action called Trespass To Try Title (TTTT)”. You can file that action yourself -in a case like this your suit to acquire title is most likely to be uncontested. Once you’ve done one, it is so much easier to do again. Or, after collecting rent for a couple years hire an attorney, like Texas Attorney Ehlert to guide you through the TTTT process.

“… what would happen if one of the heirs came in and tried to assert their claim on the property?”

You would welcome him or her with open arms and appeal to their better nature! You would describe the things you did to find them and how you have preserved their inheritance. You would tell them how you and the deceased’s brother paid the property taxes every year to prevent the county from foreclosing and maintained the property to prevent waste and dereliction. You would tell them there is even a tenant paying rent on the property. If the long-lost son or daughter demands possession, you would ask for thirty days, to get the tenant out, and notify the tenant.

If the son or daughter does not want to work with you, tell them you understand. Then give them a full written accounting of what they owe for all the expenses, taxes, property maintenance, and sweat effort. Offer to return possession of the property to them as soon as you get the tenant out, which you’ll initiate as soon as you are reimbursed for your reasonable and necessary costs of preserving their property. Note that in most states, a non-owner will be repaid only for necessary maintenance but not improvements).

You should also have figures handy (from your Attorney), regarding what the long lost son or daughter will need to pay in order to probate the property as described in Jerel Elhert’s second option; “Next best claim is Brother (or you if you’ve bought the brother’s interest) appointed as administrator for deceased. He can then recover his taxes paid, improvements/maintenance, sell the property, and get paid 5% of all money received and paid. Money will likely go to the registry of the court if/when they make a claim.”

A late appearing heir, faced with the responsibility for paying $ thousands in well documented past due expenses, and faced with additional thousands in likely legal proceedings to get clear title to their inheritance, may very well be willing to Quit Claim his or her own interest in exchange for a modest but reasonable payment from you. Alternatively, you could partner with this late appearing heir and proceed to wait out the period of adverse possession as before.

Post: Owner died with no one else one deed, can I buy?

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@Matthew Vanden Avond,  when you find a post helpful, click on the "vote" link under the poster's photo.  It will alert other users to those who are helpful.

Post: Owner died with no one else one deed, can I buy?

Davido DavidoPosted
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@Matthew Vanden Avond   The daughter (and any other children of the deceased owner) are the heirs next in line to inherit the property.  Here is a link for a description of the Wisconsin Intestate Succession rules (Intestate = died without leaving a.  https://www.estatelawpartners....

And here is a link to the Wisconsin Intestate Succession statute itself.  https://docs.legis.wisconsin.g... 

"Can (you) buy the property somehow without the property going through probate and giving possession to the daughter." 

Yes. Of course.  You could buy all of the daughter's interest in the property by getting her to sign (and notarize) a simple quit claim deed.  You could then use the duplex however you wish.  However, without probate, you would not have a clear title, you would have extra difficulty getting a loan on the property and should you would need to sell the duplex, you would likely do so at a significant discount to market value -because of the clouded title.   Without going through probate, it could be ten years before you're able to obtain a clear title, even with the quit claim deed, under Wisconsin Statute 893.26  Adverse possession, founded on recorded written instrument.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.g...
Be sure to get a title report so you know what you're buying.  Best Wishes