All Forum Posts by: David Dachtera

Well, since I did say, "anecdotally" (again, consult your own legal counsel - I do! Learned that from the Renatus Education), ...

The part you obviously missed about Scott Rowe's comment is not that they CAN'T publish stat.'s, it's that any stat'.s published MUST (BY LAW!!!) be independently verifiable. Anecdotes are, by definition, unverifiable. So, I can report all the personal observations I want (aren't ALL the posters in this thread - including yourself - doing exactly that?).

So, don't feel so triumphant. You've still lost the argument by token of having no first-hand experience with Renatus. Since you've never experienced Renatus, you have no valid argument to make.

Have a Great Night!

If so, he's yet to demonstrate it in this thread. 

Maybe he just won't let himself get out of his own way - I dunno, but I'm not seeing it.

 "... hey you can lose everything you own in a lawsuit I just cringe... this is just BS to the extreme.." Get out real estate - NOW! Your are hopelessly ill-equipped to survive a legal challenge if you really believe your own nonsense!

"Nothing a 300 a year umbrella insurance policy would not cover the average person instead of setting up these expensive and elaborate schemes." How does the average person know that without some appropriate education? (Jason? You admit you're an uneducated investor. Care to chime in?)

"Same could be said for RE education those that make the most money are providing the education not actually doing it." Warren Buffet, Donald Trump and many other prominent figures in the world of successful people would likely be inclined to disagree with you.

I do have to admit, countering the misinformation out there has become a bit of a second job. So, I will probably back off after this and let folks wallow in their lack of enlightenment.

They think they know what they need to know about something they have never experienced.

I know better - from first-hand experience - and I'm o.k. with that.

Like any other business: by sales volume would probably be the best. I'm sure Mr. Snyder would share that with you if he were at all interested in selling.

(Since the company is the legacy he intends to leave to his family, not a good bet!)

...although, since you're such a broken record and your needle is stuck in that groove, I will offer this:

Anecdotally - and if anyone asks me, I will deny having said anything in a public forum - in my experience with people who finish the education, I'd guess some 75% acquire at least one property, then go one to achieve greater success. I only know one total washout - she's in her final course of chemo, though, and she may still bounce back - we'll see.

One of our greatest success stories is a carpenter who was hit hard by the crash, out of work for four years, on the verge of losing his own home, acquired his first property - a REO mold farm in the subdivision across the creek from my ex's nephew's house. His profit after paying back his investors and business loans: $133K. He has gone on to partner up with the VA on their initiative to house troubled veterans within walking / public transit distance of where they get their treatment for PTSD and other disorders. He and his partners get rehab assistance and rents subsidies from the VA.

How many of you "don't need the education people" even knew about that program up until a moment ago?

The value of the education extends beyond the classes, even beyond the community!

You may also want to check out http://nationalreiau.com/ .

That's an excellent idea, Jay!

Do, it - so you'll develop an understanding of what Renatus is and is not.

Such an experience would be a particularly good education for Jason - his experience seems a bit thin and rather limited.

He didn't explain two pyramids because you can't explain what doesn't exist! Renatus is not a "pyramid" - though, if it were, it would be an inverted pyramid: the highest paid people are at the BOTTOM, and residual income continues "upward" for only three levels.

Wholesaling to the hedge fund is only one option. The whole market-at-large is available to any investor, Renatus or not.

Anyone caught "duping" others would have their affiliate agreement immediately terminated. Be sure to report any such activity to Renatus Corporate.

If you have more negatives, definitely post the links. I want to see you find links to information which is erroneous see I can report it to Renatus Corporate and they pursue legal action to have it removed.

Better still: think NOT MLM, since Renatus is not MLM.

There are no "paid actors" in Renatus communities - which is to say that there may be actors among the community members who get paid for their work, but who do not present and do not work for either Renatus or the community and/or its leaders.

The "gurus" travel from town to town, do not generally do business in your local community so they do not know the local market, take your money or send you on your way, then move on to the next town. No community, no one line classes, no support network, ... a customer service number to call, that's all.

Renatus has local communities in nine(9) metropolitan areas, at least four(4) that I know of personally in metro Chicago. We meet weekly, we have monthly real estate workshops, we have month marketing workshops for those who choose to market the education (not required to be student, and no purchase is required to be a marketer in compliance with Federal law), our classes are on-line 24x7, ...

There just no comparison!

Go back and look at the website. You obviously only skimmed it. I posted a link to the curricula and the course catalog in another post. Go check it out again.

 "They promise you funds for investment after you go through their school." No, they do not. Anyone telling you such things should be reported to Renatus Corporate for immediate termination of their affiliate agreement. Use the links on the Renatus website.

"Sales are pyramided and the real estate side is pyramided." No and no. Not sure where you got that, but it is total nonsense. If you can prove it, post the  links here - Jason doesn't doesn't seem to remove those.

"Not sure how many companies they created to prevent them from having to report to the government." None. Renatus reports to the government like any other business.

"Their videos tell you in plain English that they spent a lot of time and money to determine how far in a pyramid they could go before they had to report to the government." No, they do not, What is explained is that if Renatus was a Multi-Level Marketing plan (it isn't), THEN they would be required to report that to the government. Since they're not, they are not required to report as such.

"scam" Evidence please? (Remember, I have first hand experience with them, you don't.)