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All Forum Posts by: Joe Fairless

Joe Fairless has started 155 posts and replied 2621 times.

Post: Know Any Rockstar SEC Attorneys for a BP Interview?

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Agreed, I think @jillian Sidoti would be great. @amy wan would be another good person. 

Post: From a 25 unit Mom & Pop to a 243 Unit Syndication!

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@Gino Barbaro congrats and enjoyed reading the keys to your success!

 @charles kao we do a combination of things which includes: 

- google searches (hit or miss on this but sometimes surfaces interesting things. For example, one seller had multiple properties and their tenants had created a Twitter handle to complain of the conditions of their apartment units - when there is smoke there usually is fire) 

- asking property mgmt companies about them (usually good intel) 

- asking the seller's broker about them (usually not 100% accurate info) 

- asking our lawyers if they know them (usually don't but sometimes have)

@scott mac 

1. Yes, always 

2. two days, done by two teams usually around 3 - 4 people per team

@jorjio Hopkins, a couple other things that greatly influence the risk of the invetment are the age of property (we only buy 1980 or newer) and area of the property (we bought one deal in a very bad area of Houston and it was too much heavy lifting for the reward we got afterward so we no longer buy in those areas) 

Post: Simple Lesson Learned From Closing on a 400+ Unit Apt Community

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@Juan Vargas we didn't adjust anything in this business plan because we found out about it before we finalized our underwriting. 

@Jai Reddy  my pleasure 

Post: Simple Lesson Learned From Closing on a 400+ Unit Apt Community

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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Earlier this month (February 2018), my company closed on a 400+ unit apartment community, which put our portfolio at over $510,000,000 worth of apartment communities across nearly 6,000 units.

After closing on each deal, I like to reflect and extract any new lessons I’ve learned from the process. Here are links to lessons I’ve learned from previous deals:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/369032-closed-on-a-200-unit-one-simple-lesson

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/217842-closed-on-250-apartments-in-houston-texas-yesterday-2-lessons-learned

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/294621-closed-on-155-units-in-houston-yesterday-3-lessons-learne

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/316836-closed-on-320-unit-last-week-6-ways-to-break-into-the-biz

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/359926-investor-analysis-after-closing-on-a-296-unit-2-lessons-learned

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/223/topics/397337-just-reached-over-100-000-000-in-apt-communities-lesson-learned?page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/432/topics/429543-how-i-just-bought-over-500-units-in-a-hot-market

The lesson learned from this recent acquisition is simple but one that you may be overlooking, especially if you are a newer syndicator or accredited passive investor: do adequate due diligence on the seller.

Fortunately, this is a lesson I learned early on in my syndication career. I had always known that an important question to ask a seller is “why are you selling?” On one of my earliest deals, when I asked the seller’s broker this question, they said, “They plan on taking the money and moving to Greece for retirement.” Fair enough, right?

Eventually, through further investigation and due diligence, I discovered that the seller didn’t plan on using the proceeds to retire to Greece but rather to develop a new apartment community directly next door! Maybe the seller initially planned to retire to Greece but came across this development opportunity and changed their mind. Or maybe it was their intention to develop the neighboring land the entire time. Either way, I was fortunate enough to uncover the truth prior to closing and was able to adjust my business plan accordingly.

Now, back to this most recent deal – when we asked the seller’s broker why they were selling, they said they were shifting their focus from value-add to new construction. Upon further due diligence, we discovered that they were indeed transitioning to new construction (and it wasn’t going to be next door).

Since we knew their motivations for selling, we were able to put together a more compelling offer. In this case, since we knew that the seller wanted surety of closing so that they could use the proceeds for a new development deal, we offered a large nonrefundable deposit from day one and a strong sales price. As a result of our strong offer that addressed their needs, we were awarded the deal.

The lesson learned (or shall I say confirmed) on this deal is to perform adequate due diligence on the seller in order to determine their true motivations for selling the property. And this requires more than simply asking the seller “why are you selling?”

Of course, you still want to ask the seller why they are selling. But when you do, ask open-ended questions and have the interaction be more conversational than formal. Examples are:

  • What do they plan on using the proceeds for? Retirement? Same business plan but a new deal? New real estate product? Something non-real estate related?
  • How do they plan on using the proceeds? Will they 1031 into a new deal? Do they have a new opportunity identified?
  • How quickly do you need to sell and why?

It is also helpful to ask the same questions multiple times, because you may receive different answers as the seller’s motivations change or as you build more rapport with seller and they open up to you more.

Then, you want to conduct further investigations to learn about the seller’s reputation:

  • Talk with the listing broker, asking them about the seller’s motivation to sell
  • Look at their website. Are they institutional investors or a private group? My company prefers to buy deals from institutional investors because the asset is likely maintained better. Do they use a 3rd party management company or their own management group? We prefer to buy deals that were managed by 3rd parties because there is likely better financial documentation and less uncertainty about their CapEx projects, which decreases the risk of the deal
  • Look at their company and property reviews. What are other apartment operators, their investors, their vendors, and their tenant saying about them?
  • Speak with local owners. Commercial real estate is a small world, and if you’re tapped into that world, you can use your relationships with other owners to learn about the seller. But only speak with local owners with which you have a pre-existing relationship.

Through your investigations, you should have a clear picture on the owner’s reputation, which will give you an idea of the quality of the asset, and the owner’s motivation, which will allow you to evaluate the risk points of the deal and submit the most competitive offer that is curated to fulfill the seller’s needs. And in doing so, you put yourself in the best possible position to preserve and grow the capital of your accredited passive investors.

Post: Ep. 271 - Are You Buying Your Multifamily Properties With The End

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@Jason Yarusi excellent episode! Thank you for sharing. 

Post: BEST EVER Conference – Feb. 22 & 23, 2019 in Denver, Colorado

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@David Davidenko will be a pleasure meeting you in person too. So many people speak very highly of you and your background 

Post: Looking for high quality property management company in Cincinnat

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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I would speak to @Slocomb Reed who will have a good recommendation 

Post: BEST EVER Conference – Feb. 22 & 23, 2019 in Denver, Colorado

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@Dan Handford noted, we will have a panel where we talk about multifamily syndication case studies from people who have closed on deals 

Post: BEST EVER Conference – Feb. 22 & 23, 2019 in Denver, Colorado

Joe FairlessPosted
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  • Cincinnati, OH
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@Holly Williams looking forward to it! @Scott Hollister excited to have you there for your first time! @Kayla V. what are looking forward to learning? @Dustin Howard @Elisa Zhang @Dan Handford what are you all interested in learning more about?