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All Forum Posts by: John Carbone

John Carbone has started 38 posts and replied 1079 times.

Post: Short Term Rental, Long Term Wealth Book Feedback

John CarbonePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gatlinburg
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Quote from @Jayme B.:

I'm probably the only one on Bigger Pockets on a Saturday night, but was reading Avery Carl's "Short Term Rental, Long Term Wealth" and my mind is churning as usual. I enjoy the book - it gives a great overview of the STR world and specific details on how to get started. I was hoping to see a roadmap on how to go from $100k invested on the 1st STR and the strategy on acquiring a 2nd STR and so forth. That's the part I'm struggling with. I keep reading how people snowball their investments in such a short amount of time, but I can't make the numbers work.

Based on the research I've done, a property purchased for $500k will generally cashflow $15k-25k in an ideal scenario (roughly 20% CoC). My question is how do most people make the jump to the 2nd STR property if you're generating $25k per year on the high end? It would take 4 years to save another $100k before I could make another purchase based solely on the cashflow. Are you cashing out the equity and using additional revenue streams to get the 2nd one? Seems there wouldn't be that much equity to be paid out after closing costs.

Thanks for the insight!

Good book and a lot of information. However, the book was written when home prices were close to half of what they are now, and interest rates were half of what they are now. Still good information in there, but the last 1-2 years have really changed the landscape. 

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @John Carbone:

I found these quotes interesting from Jerome: 

“It will be appropriate to cut rates at such time as inflation is coming down really significantly. And we’re talking about a couple of years out.“

"I think, as anyone can see, not a single person on the committee wrote down a rate cut this year -- nor do I think it is at all likely to be appropriate if you think about it."


 The inflation is still 4% due to rent increase which is increased after property home value , so Fed failed in those aspect , as well as failed to crash the job market.

Why would fed cut rates though with stocks, home values, and jobs holding up unless CPI is in the 2s? All this talk about rate cuts seems like just wishful thinking? It’s pretty unanimous from the fed members too. 

James makes good points that mathematically this system can’t support what the fed is doing for long, but the fed believes it can. What’s the breaking point? 


 Fed already mention inflation target is 2 % at eoy of 2024.


by that time rate ffr would reach 3% to match with the inflation target.


 Why isn’t the median projected fed fund rate at 3 percent then for forward guidance?

Post: Choosing a Short Term Property Manager

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Joshua Ellis:

Awesome thanks for the info. Will ask about additional fees. If there are no other additional fees and the rate is truly 20% does that sound like a fair percentage? Even if it is do any of you all have any advice on negotiating a lower percentage? 


Try to book your own place or someone else on their website and see the fees for yourself. 20 percent is as low as you will likely get. It’s also reasonable for them to have 3 percent for credit card processing that they keep. 

Post: Marketing a unique Airbnb before it's built

John CarbonePosted
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With everyone online doing this, I think the money and time being spent is a negative expected value. Finish the project, let vrbo and Airbnb advertise for you, if you have a great product you will get bookings. Once listed possibly try to work with local attractions to promote your property if it’s worth it and set up a direct booking site. This will all take time. 

The going viral self marketing thing is so overblown. I see so many people say they went viral and have virtually no bookings from it. 

Post: Airbnb bookings nosedived

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There is a nationwide slow down happening since April impacting virtually every market. Some places saw this late last year, and the stronger markets held on until April. If STR didn't do well prior to Covid, they likely won't do well post Covid. Also, even in vacation markets, there is just a slow down in demand and more options to choose from. If you don't have a top tier product you just won't do well. It's very possible to have a property making 100k last year, that only makes 30k going forward.

Post: Direct booking website

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Quote from @Garrett Kroll:
Quote from @Frank Barletta:

Is 3% really that tough to give up for providing most of your guests, extra insurance, customer success, payment processing, communication, etc etc etc?

It’s not about the fees. It’s about building an actual business with your own customer base (and not what you lease from OTAs). Think diversified income, ability to market effectively, no risk of OTA algorithm changes that have negative impacts, etc 

It’s not just 3 percent either. These sites charge the guests 12-14 percent in service fees for them to book. It’s more like 15 percent which is significant. 

Post: Short Term Rental Tax Benefits

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Chris Look:

Hey everyone, we are looking for some clarification or advice on maximizing the tax benefits on a short term rental. We are in the process of purchasing our first property, just narrowing it down right now. We both have full time jobs but plan to manage it ourselves to meet the requirements for material participation for it to be a non-passive property. We would also plan to run a cost segregation study to maximize bonus depreciation in the first year. How does this work to offset both the income of the property and then our W2 income? Are there other options or tax benefits we should look at? Does it make a difference on what we are able to deduct based off of a down payment, furnishing the property, and/or any maintenance/updating to the property?

Here is an example of some numbers I have looked at. If we purchase a property for $400,000 that has a gross income the first year (4 or 5 months before year end) of $25,000, operating expenses of $10,000, mortgage and taxes of $15,000, with a W2 income of $175,000, what might that look like for taxes? Do you take all of it in year one or does/can some of it carry over to the next year if unused? How does a down payment or other costs to get it going play into all of this? I have not been able to find a good example that actually shows how to offset both the income of the property and W2 income. I plan to talk to our CPA as well but want to have a better understanding of it beforehand.


Thanks in advance for the advice!

Thanks,

Chris

Ballpark will be about a 50-60k deduction  against your w-2 income with a cost segregation plus any furnishing/maintenance.

down payment: 0 tax benefit, it’s equity 

Furnishing - yes, need accountant for details

Maintenance - yes, need accountant for details 


Bonus depreciation is now 80 percent, and expenses are still as always 100 percent deductions. You do need a cpa though. 

keep in mind you also need to pay for the cost segregation and tax work. 

Post: Are Timeshares Worth It?

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Christine Mosley:

What have your experiences been with timeshares? Would you recommend others to partake in them?


Time shares make absolutely no sense. I never heard anyone say “I’m glad I bought a timeshare” it’s now a big industry to pay companies to get people OUT of timeshares they purchased. I wouldn’t tell my worst enemy to buy a timeshare 

Post: Choosing a Short Term Property Manager

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Quote from @Joshua Ellis:

PM charge as in property management fee? It is 20% that I mentioned.

No, the fees they may be charging the guests for each booking. 

-excess cleaning fees 
-damage waivers
- admin fees
-booking fees
-hot tub fee

etc etc etc 

here’s an example. As a homeowner your contract would likely be 20 percent to them of the 1049 charged. Pm will pocket the admin, damage waiver, and anything else from the housekeeping fee which may or may not be reasonable depending on the property and what it actually costs. 

Without those extra fees, the $55 and $69 charge could be added to the top line. Their take of $209 (20 percent) is actually $333 which is 32 percent instead of 20. 

Post: Choosing a Short Term Property Manager

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Joshua Ellis:

I am trying to negotiate a better management commission fee for my short term rental. For a newly renovated ocean front condo they are wanting 20%. What would be the best way to negotiate down to 18% or lower?

Id be more worried about the hidden fees the pm charges that they collect 100 percent of with no split to you.