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All Forum Posts by: John Carbone

John Carbone has started 38 posts and replied 1079 times.

Post: First home buyer - where to buy first STR?

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Quote from @Dustin James:
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Need a bit of help as I'm approaching decision paralysis - I'm looking for recommended cities to invest in for STR. Trick is im planning to manage everything remote and/or use a management company. I was looking in Scottsdale, AZ because my brother lives there and can help just in case - but I know Scottsdale is very saturated and highly competitive - so I'm now looking into other locations too. Can anyone recommend other regions / cities that are hot / up and coming? (Would also consider international too)1

Pre-approved at 700k and ready to purchase any time. Not looking for anything with HOA. Willing to do a renovation if needed.

Any input is greatly appreciated as I am a first home buyer and want to start off on the right foot. 🙃


 Wait until the winter. 

Until winter where? 


 Wait until winter to buy because prices will drop.....

And there will be more post Covid travel data to see where we are headed for future traveler demands. 

Post: First home buyer - where to buy first STR?

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Quote from @Dustin James:

Need a bit of help as I'm approaching decision paralysis - I'm looking for recommended cities to invest in for STR. Trick is im planning to manage everything remote and/or use a management company. I was looking in Scottsdale, AZ because my brother lives there and can help just in case - but I know Scottsdale is very saturated and highly competitive - so I'm now looking into other locations too. Can anyone recommend other regions / cities that are hot / up and coming? (Would also consider international too)1

Pre-approved at 700k and ready to purchase any time. Not looking for anything with HOA. Willing to do a renovation if needed.

Any input is greatly appreciated as I am a first home buyer and want to start off on the right foot. 🙃


 Wait until the winter. 

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:

https://www.redfin.com/news/ho... 

Looking at various chart above, my impression is this 2023 market is still too strong , market is following 2022 price/inventory pattern except with even lower inventory than 2022 and pushing the price of May 2023 to be equal to May 2022. 

I guess SEC action to 'mini crash' the real estate failed miserably LOL It's just so strange that market is too strong that almost nobody willing to sell. 

Almost everyone that's predicting a crash in November 2022 is wrong, @James Hamling


My market forecasts I made last fall/winter as other were calling for "crash" and I warned those were dead-flat-wrong was, as i said at the time, simply following the math. In that, I think they were easy forecasts. 

I have been doing speaking engagements as of recent where too often persons introduced me as a "genius of market trends and direction" and each time I sigh a bit, and correct that if anything I will accept I am a great listener, because that's all I really did, I listened to what the math was telling me.    The hard part is blocking out all the "noise" out there in the world today because we have mountains of skewed, bias "information" due to our content-4-profit age. 

First point Carlos is we have to consider was any of this done with intelligent design? Or happen-stance reactionary policy? 

If intelligent design, I'd say this follows a path of how to consolidate the U.S. economy into corporate domain. It has been a savage few years upon small business, savage. We are in an "everything inflation", real estate is just a part of that. And timing is brilliant, absolutely brilliant for such. Bring all production to a complete halt, wipe-out all stocks of things, than hit with inflation. It's a perfect design. Because the shortages are what empower the inflation to be enduring and shift from a inflationary event into a re-pricing one. 

But, can we really say this WAS intelligent design? It's some cloak and dagger stuff to say so, it feels very tinfoil-hat to say such right. It's possible, absolutely possible. The groups exist for such, but we want to hold to a concept that a plutocratic shadow-government does not run things. 

So ok, happenstance made possible by reactionary policy. This is very possible. COVID, oh-no, gonna kill all, ok, everyone stay at home for a time. Has a kind of sense. And then "uh-oh, how do people pay bills?" ok, give em $. "Uh-oh" now we created inflation because we literally showered $ on everyone. And, empowered accelerating depletion of all stocks of goods.    It's possible but, to be true we have to accept that our "leaders" are in effect morons who have vision of all but 10' in front of there face, the inability to think 2,3 steps ahead. Because any 3rd-grade "think-tank" would have seen it coming. Ok, everyone stay at home. how do people eat, get things? Oh, uh, ok, give em $. Ok, where does the stuff there buying come from, oh the warehouses. Ok, and where does the warehouse of stuff come from? Uh, nowhere, everyone is home. Ok, so, it will run out, then what? 

So we have in end the options that either (a) a plutocratic shadow-government is consolidating power, control and wealth to assure all serfs unto them.    Or (b) our leaders are a college of morons who are incapable of actual leadership or planning, simply reacting to whatever is at their door-step and thus, going forward, a roller-coaster ride of reactionary measures. 

Or in simplest terms: sh#t-burger or turd-sandwich, which are we eating, lol.... 

By the #'s we are well into a Neo-Stagflation

Demand with supply shortage presents a very protracted term of pricing to hold. Competition and efficiency revolutions lower price, and neither are presenting themselves so this would be a "new norm". 

New efficiencies in tech (ai advent) is in large part a nothing-burger, as it presents a shift action. Those removed from tech may shift into ai, or other under-employed sectors. 

Pricing is holding because it's a repricing event, not transitory inflation. I can't emphasis this point enough, without comprehension of this point one will be lost in comprehending everything else. 

The populous is shown to be well conditioned to live off credit now, the banks have won. So we will see this new economic cycle connected to banking. Meaning they can turn on and off the economy like a light switch to a degree well beyond anything prior, via metering the flow of credit. There has long been a sense of this connection but it's the degree of it's power today that is unique, it's now in command to a significant degree. 

I believe we are at the start of a neo-economy (new economy). Open spigot of credit, inflate pricing 15%, meter spigot down, consolidate back 5%, open for another 15% up, meter down to consolidate again, and on and on the "fun" goes. 

This presents a centralized control of the economy unlike anything ever before. I believe the Fed and others are well aware of this, and are playing with it today. 

I expect that in ~16 months time we will experience the next cycle in this, with the spigot opening, invigorating the economy just in time for election polling. Read the various bond chart's, they are all predicting this. I spent last weeks reading dozens, they are uniform in this, I don't find such uniformity happen-stance, it denotes knowledge. 

So call it a metered economy, very much as one would meter flow of water to yard sprinklers. The grass will drink, green and grow in exact proportion to the watering, similar to average consumer today storing none of that water just living for the moment. 

I don't believe it happen stance the drying up of savings, especially as those like J-pow have mentioned the "problem" is persons savings..... 

So, it's centralization. A power consolidation. Nothing on inducing a recession, not in manner most associate that thought, especially not a collapse which is most fertile ground for small business. no, it's a consolidating event, to "meter" the economy, putting a "control" on it all, and thus a very literally control center to adjust corporate profits on demand. 


 Great points james. It’s definitely (b), it’s not just in government but many corporations are also run this way.

Post: Smoky Mountain Slow Down?

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Quote from @Collin Hays:
Quote from @Wilson Hunter:

I'm curious what y'all think is the price point investors will start buying at in the Smokies. The deals on the MLS all look terrible, but if you cut ~$100k off everything I'd imagine you'd have investors scooping up those cabins. That's something like 15-20% lower than current average market list.

The next buyers will lose money, too.  It will be the buyers after them that have a chance.  

Personal experience here:

I used to manage a hotel in the late 1980s/early 1990s.  The hotel was built for around $5 million in 1985. But the hotel market in the area became overbuilt, and rates/occupancy wouldn't support a $5 million build price.  Deep in the red most months.

Chapter 2.  The FIRST owners of the hotel sold it at a "fire sale" price of $3.8 million.  But by that time, a deep recession had begun, and it was the same story:  Rates/occupancy wouldn't support a $3.8 million price tag.  The SECOND owners filed bankruptcy, and the hotel went back to the bank.  

Chapter 3.  The THIRD owner of the hotel bought it from the bank for $2 million.  This is when I started managing it.  At that price, the hotel was wildly successful, throwing off about $500K per year in profit.  

Chapter 4.  The THIRD owner of the hotel, with massive profits, successfully sold the hotel for $4 million.  You guessed it:  The hotel never made a dime for owner number four.  I lost track of what happened to the hotel after owner number four.  

Here is a picture of the actual hotel:


 This is how I imagined it would play out, but seeing an example of it actually playing out like this in practice, is stuff you just don’t see on the internet. Thanks for sharing Collin. 

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
A wonderful feature of this digital age we live in today is that a person can find absolutely no shortage of "supporting information" for very literally any position, thought, opinion one has no matter how ridiculous, ludicrous or just flat out incorrect that position, thought, idea is. 
For example, look things up on flat-earth. 

For 3 years now, 3-flippin-years, I have been on this platform combating the disinformation of various degrees shouting from as loudly as they can that "THE END IS NIGH" declaring for ___(insert the reasoning)___ real estate is going to '08' style collapse. 
And here we are yet again with this debate. 

Ever hear the term "the silence is deafening"? Notice how very applicable that is to every one of these doom-preachers on there list of false-predications these last 3 years? 

I have a hard time crediting any validity to a persons projections, calling for imminent calamity, who was calling for such previously, that clearly NEVER HAPPENED, is here yet again saying the same, with 0 mention of being so completely wrong previously. 

Any use of averaging out housing data to come up with a singular # to represent all housing, is going to be wrong, it will be a false read because it is garbage data. GIGO (Garbage In - Garbage Out). 

The one universal factor for the national market is volatility. How can one lump million+ luxury housing into same bucket as $100k+ entry level housing, and all items in between, and expect to get any accurate read of any kind? 
Real Estate has a wide variety of it's TYPE of asset class and price points, and just like the market for Lamborghini super-cars can be experiencing 1 thing and economy Nissan Altima a whole other, so is the same for different real estate classes. 

Market compression was seen a mile-away, I called this out many MANY times, and here we are living it today. The lower rung of "affordable homes" have demand far outstripping supply and thus inflating price, middle area of affordability pacing about flat, and the higher rung experiencing decline = market compression. 

Just to the point of things, skipping all the "noise" of the argument here is the take-away: 
Those who don't buy now WILL regret it
That is the reality of the situation. 
Persons WILL look back, just as they are looking back now to a few years ago and lamenting "why didn't I get in then?". 
The cost of entry has kept rising, and it WILL keep rising. 
Rates come crashing down guess what, PRICE will shoot up, duh!. Todays price REFLECTS TODAYS RATES. It's just that simple. 

There is no scenario where we get an '08' style housing collapse without the entire U.S. economic system completely burning to the ground. And in that event, no, you WON'T be buying up anything because there will be no financing to do such, you'll be in the streets fighting your neighbor for a loaf of bread and food for the day. Your dollars will be worthless as the USD goes to 0. Because that what it takes to burn Real Estate to an '08' style collapse, the ENTIRE system burns. 

And in that event guess what I will do, I will accept rent in chickens and cows.... Or Amero, DGC or whatever the prevailing currency is. 
Food, Water, Shelter, these are the fundamental NEEDS of human life, correct? So in great crisis what do you want, a bunch of "pocket art" of mini-paintings of dead presidents, or something people NEED? It's just not complicated. 

We have a giant % of home owners in exceptionally low rate locked mortgages. As I have said for a loooong time NO they won't sell there secured position to move into a volatile one, and without that how do you get an '08' level drop? We have net SHORTAGE, how do you get from here to net EXCESS? Crickets..... the doom=preachers never answer this simple fundamental point. 
There is only 1 way, burn the entire economy to the ground. In that fire only the Hiltons and Heinz's of the world will be buying things up. 

What's coming? 
More volatility in a net shortage environment with spy-high inflated costs pressing volume collapse in a protracted manner, better known as STAGFLATION


I didn’t realize citing govt data (the same I cited last year) was conspiracy theory. Or showing news article headlines from various regions showing both that new home builders are dropping price to sell homes, and that rental prices are declining. These aren’t articles from “the onion” as I said before there is unlimited land to build in the USA and with input costs so low it’s build build build time and sell at what the market will pay. Nobody under 40 wants the overpriced stuff built several decades ago. Housing is a good purchase for someone to live in, but as I said last year doesn’t make sense to buy for long term rentals, that gravy train is OVER. If you have properties bought 5 plus years ago, sure you will do well renting those out. 

It’s comical that you think real estate prices dropping back to anywhere close to levels 3 years ago will result in needing to be paid in chickens and cows with social unrest. You are really a conspiracy theorist. If you actually read what you write and you have an IQ that isn’t below average, you would clearly see it. 


This is a shining example of why BP need to add DOWN Votes..... You have ignored effectively everything I DID say, and laid out a running rant of things I DIDNT say.... Lol. 

I get it, your Trolling.... Well established and understood. Have fun as I ignore you going forward.

That’s odd. Last year we both agreed that we would use the median sale price metric from the fed to determine the drop in value. Now that I’m proving to be right on that, you and everyone else is now trying to disprove that metric after the fact. I get it, you and many on here make their living solely off of real estate, selling it, renting it, so of course replies like yours will happen. Real estate investing is just side money for me, so I can see it for what it is without the noise. Keep ignoring facts though and pile on more leverage at these sky high mortgage rates. You will do great king James 

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @John Carbone:
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
A wonderful feature of this digital age we live in today is that a person can find absolutely no shortage of "supporting information" for very literally any position, thought, opinion one has no matter how ridiculous, ludicrous or just flat out incorrect that position, thought, idea is. 
For example, look things up on flat-earth. 

For 3 years now, 3-flippin-years, I have been on this platform combating the disinformation of various degrees shouting from as loudly as they can that "THE END IS NIGH" declaring for ___(insert the reasoning)___ real estate is going to '08' style collapse. 
And here we are yet again with this debate. 

Ever hear the term "the silence is deafening"? Notice how very applicable that is to every one of these doom-preachers on there list of false-predications these last 3 years? 

I have a hard time crediting any validity to a persons projections, calling for imminent calamity, who was calling for such previously, that clearly NEVER HAPPENED, is here yet again saying the same, with 0 mention of being so completely wrong previously. 

Any use of averaging out housing data to come up with a singular # to represent all housing, is going to be wrong, it will be a false read because it is garbage data. GIGO (Garbage In - Garbage Out). 

The one universal factor for the national market is volatility. How can one lump million+ luxury housing into same bucket as $100k+ entry level housing, and all items in between, and expect to get any accurate read of any kind? 
Real Estate has a wide variety of it's TYPE of asset class and price points, and just like the market for Lamborghini super-cars can be experiencing 1 thing and economy Nissan Altima a whole other, so is the same for different real estate classes. 

Market compression was seen a mile-away, I called this out many MANY times, and here we are living it today. The lower rung of "affordable homes" have demand far outstripping supply and thus inflating price, middle area of affordability pacing about flat, and the higher rung experiencing decline = market compression. 

Just to the point of things, skipping all the "noise" of the argument here is the take-away: 
Those who don't buy now WILL regret it
That is the reality of the situation. 
Persons WILL look back, just as they are looking back now to a few years ago and lamenting "why didn't I get in then?". 
The cost of entry has kept rising, and it WILL keep rising. 
Rates come crashing down guess what, PRICE will shoot up, duh!. Todays price REFLECTS TODAYS RATES. It's just that simple. 

There is no scenario where we get an '08' style housing collapse without the entire U.S. economic system completely burning to the ground. And in that event, no, you WON'T be buying up anything because there will be no financing to do such, you'll be in the streets fighting your neighbor for a loaf of bread and food for the day. Your dollars will be worthless as the USD goes to 0. Because that what it takes to burn Real Estate to an '08' style collapse, the ENTIRE system burns. 

And in that event guess what I will do, I will accept rent in chickens and cows.... Or Amero, DGC or whatever the prevailing currency is. 
Food, Water, Shelter, these are the fundamental NEEDS of human life, correct? So in great crisis what do you want, a bunch of "pocket art" of mini-paintings of dead presidents, or something people NEED? It's just not complicated. 

We have a giant % of home owners in exceptionally low rate locked mortgages. As I have said for a loooong time NO they won't sell there secured position to move into a volatile one, and without that how do you get an '08' level drop? We have net SHORTAGE, how do you get from here to net EXCESS? Crickets..... the doom=preachers never answer this simple fundamental point. 
There is only 1 way, burn the entire economy to the ground. In that fire only the Hiltons and Heinz's of the world will be buying things up. 

What's coming? 
More volatility in a net shortage environment with spy-high inflated costs pressing volume collapse in a protracted manner, better known as STAGFLATION

I didn’t realize citing govt data (the same I cited last year) was conspiracy theory. Or showing news article headlines from various regions showing both that new home builders are dropping price to sell homes, and that rental prices are declining. These aren’t articles from “the onion” as I said before there is unlimited land to build in the USA and with input costs so low it’s build build build time and sell at what the market will pay. Nobody under 40 wants the overpriced stuff built several decades ago. Housing is a good purchase for someone to live in, but as I said last year doesn’t make sense to buy for long term rentals, that gravy train is OVER (unless you are your own developer). If you have properties bought 5 plus years ago, sure you will do well renting those out. 

It’s comical that you think real estate prices dropping back to anywhere close to levels 3 years ago will result in needing to be paid in chickens and cows with social unrest. You are really a conspiracy theorist. If you actually read what you write and you have an IQ that isn’t below average, you would clearly see it. 

Post: Anyone had an increase in occupancy and revenue by adding a full bath?

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Quote from @Leslie Anne Morris:

1 bathrooms perform a lot lower. It happens here in the Smoky Mountains also. 


 I must be getting really lucky on mine. 

Post: Anyone had an increase in occupancy and revenue by adding a full bath?

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About 3 months in with my 2/1 in Greenville SC. Occupancy and revenue has been pretty good but could be better. I realize that time on market is a factor here as I build reviews (11*5 stars), and I should qualify for superhost in July. In general I am happy with the performance and I am profitable. 

That said, there is a house around here the corner that is on a less desirable street, no W/D, and not pet friendly that is booked 90%+. The rates, interior furnishing and rebab quality is similar. If anything, my place has more comfortable furnishings, a better kitchen and more character. Aside from superhost status and more reviews, the only strong differentiator of the other house itself is an extra full bath, whereas I have only 1 bath total and you have to walk through the whole house if you are in the other bedroom. 

I do have existing footprint space (roofline covered front patio) where I could add an extra full bath with minimal disruption and an excellent contractor who thinks he can do it for <$10k. Plus with bonus depreciation and the ability to force appreciation and cash out refi I am not concerned about the cost, and I could do the work during the slower winter months. 

Has anyone added a bathroom and seen it make that big of a difference? Thanks in advance!

 
my 4 bed with bonus room only has 2 bathrooms and sleeps 8-12. I’ve never had a guest have an issue with only 2 bathrooms, and I don’t have an open day all summer through early august. I have a 1 bed with a loft sleeps 4 with 1 small bathroom 1000 square feet. I kind of view bathrooms as wasted square foot given the cost they are to put in from a rental perspective. Much bigger roi expanding and adding amenities in my opinion. Maybe a hot tub or arcade game (unless you already have them)

Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Quote from @Bill B.:

Not what I said. What i said is it’s useless if it’s not $’s/sf, and it’s useless information unless you are investing nationally. Even then I assume you’d be smart enough to pick the better markets, not just throw darts at a map. 

It’s like the useless “household income” statistics that don’t mention “household” sizes change. Are you publishing these statistics? Why do you care if they’re useless?

Again, tell me you had a bunch of properties and you sold them all last fall. If both of those aren’t true then even you know the numbers we useless. if you did, then all you lost out on were opportunity costs and selling and acquisition costs.

I truly don’t care. Make your next response anything, even just WINNER!  This my last attempt. I’ve already put too much effort in to explaining why they’re useless, you don’t want to listen. You ignore questions about if you think prices will be lower in 5 years. Your brick wall defense is spectacular. I just hope you’re getting paid to promote the useless stats, at lest then I’d understand your conviction. 

Did you load up on overpriced homes last fall? I can’t even give you an answer for 5 years from now because even if you are looking at official government stats you will look for a cherry pick loophole to claim you are right (like well in zip code xxxxx that nobody cares about - went up) I’m citing government data, and new construction home builders which coincides with the government data showing prices are DOWN. Homebuilders will continue to lower asking prices if they need to, they are in the business to sell homes. Now that Covid is over the inputs into building new are way down now, so they are primed to make massive profits even now at lower prices. They don’t care about existing construction that nobody wants to sell due to being locked in to low rates. They build they sell. No emotion. Buying real estate last fall was a bad investment as I said back then when we were at peak. People like you and James Hamlin were pounding the table to not have a missed opportunity cost. Didn’t play out like that. 5 percent tbills and falling prices, that’s a double win for prospective buyer. 

 Here you go, I found an article on your market. seems like it was a great idea to buy there last year. 

Geez must have been 100 to 1 odds of this happening since prices only go down every 100 years. And even when it happens people still don’t see it. 

https://www.ktnv.com/news/las-...


Post: 2023 Market activity = almost equal to 2022 market equity

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Quote from @Bill B.:

And you don’t think that should be done by $’s/sf? Even that would be useless if it wasn’t by zip code, but a national price means nothing. What if it’s just less mansions being built? What if more condos are being built? It just doesn’t mean anything. What if South Dakota is building more new homes and California is building less?

Don’t get me wrong. That chart says new home prices are down 16% I’d love that, I’m in the market for a new home. But they just aren’t. At least not here. They’re up 10-20%.  And if it’s not true here it’s worthless, I doubt this is the only market where it’s wrong/useless. 

At least it shows AFTER this “Massive drop” new home prices are up 30% over the last 2 years. I’ll take it. If you put down 20% you’ve made a 150% return in 2 years after the “crash”. Hopefully you’ve sold all your properties to avoid the coming crash. We could use the increased inventory.

I’d love a price drop but that’s just a dream here. I want to do some 1031 exchanges. If my property and the more expensive property both drop, I save money. ($400k property to $700k property becomes $340k to $595k at a 15% drop. I save $45k. And in my market cheaper properties hold up better so I’d probably save more.)

So because you aren’t seeing it happen in Vegas means it isn’t happening nationally according to government data? Last fall I noted mathematically we were at a peak, and since then it’s been a slow draw down. If rates stay high we will continue to see new home sale prices “nominally” get close to 2020 plus 10-15 percent adjusted for inflation. 

there’s dozens of more just like this.