All Forum Posts by: Anthony Gayden
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Post: Should I expand my search from 2-4 units to single family?

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Originally posted by @Matt Ashbrook:
@Anthony Gayden I'm going to dabble in that.
Thanks for the replies everyone, let's keep this conversation rolling. I'm curious to know everyone's thoughts (pros and cons) specifically on the difference between owning one 4-plex versus four SF.
I own two 4-plexes and 4 single family homes. The single family homes definitely will get you more rent per unit. Also you will have less vacancy and turnover with the single family homes. The tenants tend to stay longer. I have also found that my tenants in my single family homes have less maintenance issues. Another thing is that in my single family homes, my tenants pay all utilities, and handle lawn care/snow removal. In my 4-plexes, I am in charge of paying water/sewer/trash, and I have to handle lawn maintenance. I have also had a cockroach issue in one of my units spread into the adjacent unit because they share a wall.
I will say that a negative to single family is acquisition costs. Each single family I bought required a separate mortgage, and closing costs for each one averaged $5000. The closing costs for a single 4-plex is $5000. Another thing is that I have individual insurance policies that cumulatively cost much more than the insurance policy for a single 4-plex. Also it is a bit of a hassle keeping track of multiple insurance policies, tax statements, and mortgage information for multiple properties compared to a single one for a 4-plex.
Overall, both strategies are great, and I would gladly buy more small multi-faimly or single family homes if they meet my criteria.
Post: Should I expand my search from 2-4 units to single family?

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Originally posted by @Matt Ashbrook:
I've been looking for my first investment property for 4-5 months now. I've put in a few offers, but been unsuccessful so far. I have been looking for 2-4 unit properties for the same reason everyone is, but mainly for me is the security of multiple rent checks coming in. I just got outbid on a triplex, and I'm getting discouraged. I'm considering looking for single family just to get started, as I know that's an important part of getting started (you know, actually getting started). All of that said, I'm starting to feel like building a portfolio of 3-4 single family homes is similar to having a 2-4 unit property. What are everyone's thoughts on this?
I'm in St. Petersburg, FL, looking in the St. Pete, Tampa, Clearwater, FL area; looking to BRRRR.
When I started investing, I wanted my sole focus to be on buying small multi-family properties. I found that as time passed they became harder and harder to find. Eventually I realized that I was either going to have to switch strategies or switch markets. I chose to switch strategies and began investing in single family rentals instead.
Post: Is it necessary to have your real estate license to invest?

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@Aaron Amarant
No it isn’t necessary, however after investing for 6 years I decided to get my Nebraska real estate salesperson license. Here are my reasons.
1. To learn as much as possible about real estate so I could build a competitive advantage
2. To be able to see deals ASAP when they are listed and be able to put in a lot of offers
3. To earn extra income in real estate sales
4. To learn better property management for my rentals and possibly start my own property management company
5. To keep me focused on real estate even in the long periods of time between purchases
6. To create a new retirement career/skill (I am eligible in 10 years) for when I leave law enforcement
Post: What problems do new investors face entering real estate?

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@Kerrel Gomes
I would think the hardest part of starting for many is the financial aspect. It takes a lot of money to invest in real estate. Even for the person who buys their first property with $5000 and an FHA loan. That may have been a very hard earned amount depending on their income. Fear of losing it would be great.
No one wants to fail, but many do fail and that fear of failure surely slows many down as well.
Post: Why is California a poor rental market?

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@Jared Lomker
The problems with California investing is that there are high barriers to entry in large parts of the state.
Keep in mind the median household income in Los Angeles County is $68,093/yr. Real estate investing in much of the state is only an opportunity for the upper middle class and wealthy. People who have hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest. A newbie with $10,000 can’t house hack when a duplex costs $650,000. Heck a newbie making the median household income can’t even qualify for a loan that large.
Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

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Originally posted by @Bryan Mitchell:
@Anthony Gayden, the TSP loan I was looking into was $50K to be paid back within 5 years. You pay interest at the last rate fund (2-3%) but I think that interest payment goes back to your account right?
That's right, you pay yourself the interest. The 5 year repayment can be tough when you borrow the full $50K, so I used it on a BRRRR and paid it back following the refinance.
Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

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Originally posted by @Hart Pearson:
@Anthony Gayden 401k is an excellent long term savings vehicle. But you aren't "creating" a lot of wealth. You're saving your way to wealth with the best return possible for a liquid long term savings vehicle. I think many people are happy with Dave's plan, and it's solid advice for the masses. I do notice that $1,000,000 retirement accounts like you mention seem to be overly exciting to the "savers." Do you think they are they planing to pull a conservative $30k a year of income or overly aggressive $50k a year in income off of that? I've noticed they are very disappointed when you tell them that's what their $1,000,000 investment account really equals. They suddenly don't feel rich. I'd focus on cash flowing investments. It takes a bigger pile of savings than people think... and most of your better years in life to get where you really want to be at retirement age.
$1,000,000+ retirement account, zero personal debt (including mortgage), and a large cash emergency fund is nothing to laugh at. It certainly would put a person ahead of 95%+ of the general population.
I can't criticize people who go the Dave Ramsey route. I admire that those people who may not have the motivation to do more complicated forms of investing still came out far ahead of most people.
Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

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Originally posted by @Hart Pearson:
@Randy Bloch I think it depends on your definition of success. In my mind, if you aren’t financially free yet, then 401k and diversification offered by 3 buckets is slowing you down. If you’ve achieved your goals then by all means diversify and worry about taxes. I don’t want to become free when I’m old. I want to pump everything into passive income and expense reduction. Not stuff it all in a time capsule of a 401k and then, when I’m weak old and institutionalized, start asking “so how do I actually create some income with my money?!”
I disagree.
A 401K is an excellent way to build wealth and I know several people with 7 figure balances in their 40's and 50's. The money is not in a time capsule, it is earning cumulative interest for the long term.
Some people aren't trying to be the next Grant Cardone. They follow the Dave Ramsey plan, put 15% of their earnings toward their 401K and happily retire with $1,000,000+ at age 60.
I started investing in my TSP about 5 years prior to buying my first investment property, so there was already a large amount in there when I started investing in real estate. I made the decision a long time ago not to put 100%of my investment dollars into real estate investing. The benefit of doing a 401K is that you can really have the set it and forget it mentality with it. I set a dollar amount to be invested with my job and I never change it. I rarely even look at the balance. One day I looked it up and it was hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Real estate on the other hand is not a passive investment. It takes time to find a deal, it takes time to fund a deal, and there are a lot of moving parts and costs involved. I do invest about 75% of my investment dollars into real estate. The other 25% of my investments are retirement accounts, my brokerage account with individual stocks, and my daughters 529 plan.
By the way, most people aren't "weak old and institutionalized" at the time of retirement if they take care of their health and physical well-being.
Post: BRRRR vs. Rental Property for first time investor

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Originally posted by @Julian Dano:
I am a new investor in the Southern NH/Boston area. For all my beginners out there who have completed their first deal, looking back do you advice going the BRRRR route or getting your feet wet with a turn-key rental property for your first deal?
It makes more sense to seek BRRRR deals long-term which I plan on doing. But my concerns are that I'd be biting off more than I can chew. My initial plan was to just jump into a rehab project with BRRRR, find a good team, and figure it out on the way. But I wasn't sure if that was advisable or not for beginners.
Here's my situation:
- I'm in my late 20's and would be a first-time home buyer.
- I can help with small rehab tasks (painting, flooring, toilets, etc) but have no rehab experience beyond that.
- I am learning to estimate rehab projects but I would definitely need some assistance.
- Capital is not a limiting factor at the moment
I did my first BRRRR a couple of years ago and at the time I already owned a few rentals. Keeping that in mind it was a lot of work. Dealing with contractors was a headache, and the rehab took a lot longer than expected due to aggressive winter weather. It took a large amount of cash, and the refinancing part was difficult. I did a lot of the minor handyman work myself.
Basically, it was hard and if I had been an absolute newbie prior to this, I probably wouldn't have made it through it. Lots of moving parts.
Post: Investors who have a W2...Are you still investing in a 401k?

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Originally posted by @Blake Edwards:
@Erik W. - Oh I've read it...My boss (David Greene) loves that book as well and quotes it all the time. Sometimes I think David wrote it, and used the pen name George Clason.
@Anthony Gayden - A loan on the TSP/401k account. I love it. Just another example on how to be creative to make something work for you. If I'm not mistaken, don't you get heavily taxed if the loan is not paid off within a specified time frame? I have some money sitting idle in a 457.
If you don't pay off the loan it is seen as a disbursement and taxed accordingly. If you have stable employment, it is a good option, but I would not recommend it to everyone as there are some rules that must be followed. Just as an example, even during the government shutdown, I would have been expected to continue to make payments on the TSP loan, even though I wasn't getting paid.