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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Moyer

Ryan Moyer has started 11 posts and replied 863 times.

Post: Deciding to sell or keep cabin in Gatlinburg

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How good of a view are we talking about?

There's a couple of 4br pool cabins with 4/10 views (but very close to town) listed for around $1M right now.  And a 6br pool cabin listed for $1.1M.

Post: Word from the Smokies: The patient isn't dead, but...

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Quote from @Kyle Smith:


So, essentially only 956 cabins have entered the market since 2016.  Figure in the incredible amount of newcomers to this area and its growing popularity, exposure, new attractions coming etc, I’d say… not bad at all.   I think the saturation argument does not hold water.  The cabin market looks pretty balanced to me.  


Saturation is not only numbers, it's quality as well.  As much as many markets have been saturated with numbers, many have also been saturated with quality.

Remember, the selling point in the Smokies in 2019 was that the cabins were run by dinosaur PM companies that charged 40%, didn't list on Airbnb/VRBO, didn't use dynamic pricing, didn't have any unique features to the cabins, didn't respond to guests quickly, had poor ratings, etc.  So if you came in and self-managed, threw a $200 Arcade 1up (now $600 each, because everyone is buying them) in there, responded to guests quick and got good reviews, you could stand out.

But that's no longer the standout feature it once was.  There are a lot of people doing that.  Just like in 1995 if you had a hot tub you couldn't swat away the bookings fast enough, but now a hot tub is no longer a standout feature, but a minimum barrier to entry.  Every year we creep closer and closer to self managed, 4.99 review score, fast response times, game room/theater becoming the standard rather than the standout.

The Smokies, at least, is better than a lot of markets on that front.  I have 10 properties in Orlando and who-wee, let me tell you, if you're only putting 150k into crazy cool upgrades on your property when you buy it, you're lagging behind.

This is one of my properties in Orlando: https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/52612233

Three years ago I would have said that's a 98th percentile property in quality.  Now I would say maybe 75th percentile?  70th?   We built a 3/4 size X-wing AND Tie Fighter, built a full commercial retro arcade, toddler secret clubhouse, coffee bar, etc and I would say we're maybe 75th percentile on a good day.  Because there are houses with bowling alleys, laser tag arenas, lazy rivers, etc IN THEIR HOUSE now.

5 years ago if you threw a pool table and a foosball table and a dart board in the garage in Orlando you had a "game room".  Now if you do that you have a piece of trash that no one is going to book for $99/nt despite your $800k mortgage at 7.5%. 

Orlando is ahead of the curve on that because that kind of thing is the main selling point there, but it's coming everywhere. I've used my STR host knowledge to aid in our traveling. This year we took a family vacation to Lake Havasu because I knew it was oversaturated with awesome pools and great hosts, and I knew we could get an amazing place at a cheap price. We stayed in a place with a full on resort style backyard (I actually asked the owner what it cost....$800k just for the pool area!!!) like we had our own private Hawaiian resort. For $249/nt. OVER SPRING BREAK!

Again, it's market dependent, but it's coming everywhere.  3 years ago if you had a pool cabin you had to beat off the bookers with a stick, even in the slow season.  Now there are more and more of them, all with the same arcade machines, all with the same 5* reviews.  It's all a matter of time.  The things that made a super property 5 years ago make an average property now.  And the things that make a super property now will make an average property 5 years from now.  The secret is out, and people are going to have to constantly stay 3 steps ahead unless they have a 2018 mortgage that allows them to book at rates that drag the whole market down, all while they tell new investors about how their property is "crushing it" and getting new people in over their heads.

Post: Word from the Smokies: The patient isn't dead, but...

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Quote from @Kasey Sulheim:

@Jaron Walling

Idk if it’s possible for the stock market to crash any harder than it has already lol :(

This is the weirdest comment I've ever seen.  Serious question, did you start investing in the markets like 3 months ago?  Because this "crash" isn't even a blip on the radar of stock market crashes.  The market crashed 28% in 2018, 31% in 2020, and 21% in 2021.  Not to mention 2008 and 2001 which were much larger than any of those.

Sorry not trying to disparage, just having a good laugh as a guy that lives and breathes in the stock market.  This isn't even something worth getting out of bed for yet.  We are like 6% off of all-time highs right now, lol.

This comment is like a football team giving up a field goal on the opening drive and saying "boy, we're really getting crushed, I'm not sure it can get any worse than this!".

Post: Transfer Airbnb Account to new host

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Nope.

This is one of the ways many management companies hold you hostage.

Post: Operating Airbnbs without EVER seeing the house

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Quote from @Dan Thomas:

@Bailey Kramer

Don't understand all the hype in STR about what properties gross. I personally couldn't care less. That number is meaningless. What did it net?

Huh?  He was answering a question on what his rates were.  PM rates are based on gross revenue, not net revenue.

In general though, people typically talk about gross revenue because you can underwrite based off gross revenue, not net, since expenses (and especially debt service) are going to be very different from owner to owner.

Post: 30A Watercolor Florida Vacation Home/Rental

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Quote from @Zach Edelman:

Pretty sure Bill Faeth has one and has been posting a healthy amount about it on his social media. I would checkout his socials, he posts a good amount of advice/guidance for STR investors.


I don't think Bill has any on 30A.  He has several in Gulf Shores.  Of course his property also ranks #1 on Airbnb in that area so his returns are better than most.

Post: Operating Airbnbs without EVER seeing the house

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Quote from @John Underwood:

I would never hire a PM that can't routinely inspect the property and help with things without having to pay someone else for every little thing that needs to be done.

Example: Had a problem with a 4k projector and surround sound system. PM spent multiple days troubleshooting issue and ultimately we had to replace projector under warranty. He provided a decent sized loaner TV during the process. Guess how much extra we paid for all this? Nada.

This was just part of his value add of being a boots on the ground local PM.

If your PM isn't local you may as well self manage.

I thought you self managed?

What does that PM charge and what is their role?

Either that PM is charging more on the front-end to make up for not having to charge for things like that, or they don't value their time and they are going to burn themselves out.  Or you've found yourself a unicorn and I hope you buy them one hell of a Christmas present every year!

Post: Tempted to buy a rehabbed home on Zillow

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The 1% rule is more of a LTR rental rule, if you're talking about monthly rental income vs. PP. I would be shooting for higher for an STR as operating expenses are significantly higher.

Post: Anyone have a STR in Hurricane, UT?

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Quote from @Shruti Dendage:

Is Hurricane, UT still good investment for STR? I may be potentially looking at buying a property where the permit is already in place. Do we have to renew the permit every year?

 @Michelle Glacken Did you end up purchasing in Hurricane? 

@Ryan Moyer Do you still have your Kanab property/ STR? If yes, how is it doing?

Thank you!!!


 Yes we still have our place in Kanab.  It definitely has slowed down as I predicted above as the post-covid travel boom has worn off in the area (Zion was a big drive-to destination when flying was difficult).  We still cash flow nicely every month but our mortgage is 500k at 2.75% and the same home right now would probably cost 800k at 7% so the numbers would likely be much more difficult at current prices/rates.

Post: Hack to managing Airbnbs remotely!

Ryan Moyer
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Instacart is so much more reliable than Walmart+.  I have subscriptions to both but W+ could not have a worse design if they tried.  Too many frustrations to type out right now because I don't want to get riled up before bed, lol.