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All Forum Posts by: Paul B.

Paul B. has started 8 posts and replied 491 times.

Post: Getting My Eyes on Multi Family Properties

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 501
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I'm a Sumrok student and I'd recommend checking out his conference here in Dallas. The next one is in July, but start following him on social media now because he may be speaking in your area sometime before then. Search his name on this site and you can find numerous threads discussing his program. 

Post: Syndicators/LPs : What kind of MOIC are you seeing?

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 501
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Originally posted by @Spencer Gray:

@Todd Dexheimer

Or is it that by the time an investor sees an 18% IRR they already view the deal as having a good return and the MOIC is just another indicator that is seen a tertiary metric (that's how I've viewed it in the past)?

I think this one is true for me. If the IRR is good, and it's a 3-5 year hold, then a strong (1.75-2) MOIC is implied so I don't bother thinking about that particular metric.

Post: Clayton Morris / Morris Invest House of Cards starting to fall.

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Ryan Dossey

I’ve been watching Morris invest for like 2 years, WAITING until I could invest with him because I trusted him from Fox News. I’m glad this came out now before I took out large credit cards to buy a POS from him then get burned

 You trusted a guy just because he was on Fox News (or any media outlet for that matter; I am not saying you should have trusted him if he was on CNN)? And you were going to use your credit card to buy a property? Sounds like you are better off. 

Post: Unprecedented Structural Shift - The Thriving Multifamily Market

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Tyler Erickson:

Keep in mind, however. Data and trends seem to be the new snake oil of the 21st century. As anti-intellectual as that sounds, it's easy to grab a set of data points to argue your point, while ignoring other contributing factors that may or may not fully justify the point you're trying to make. 

 I like that. I am gonna start using it. Big Data is a big business now. But what does one do with this data?

Post: Question About Apartment Purchasing (Syndication?)

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Aside from the books mentioned by others, there are numerous articles on this very site explaining how to get into multi-family, and the basics of syndication. You might start with those to see if it's even a topic about which you'd like to read an entire book. 

If the property is going to cash flow with what is essentially 100% financing (not to mention the second loan is sure to have a much higher interest rate than the standard 4.5-5.5%), then it must be a heck of a deal. Find someone who is experienced and have them run through the numbers to make sure you didn't miss something. Getting approved for a commercial loan is more complex than getting approved for a mortgage, so you'll want to learn about that too.

Post: Thoughts on ethical concerns regarding syndicated deals

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Kurt Granroth:

 if my wife sees the potential in any way of a future owner causing misery even after we are cashed out, then that deal will be a hard pass, as far as she's concerned.  So yeah, the responsibility of how an entity is passed on can absolutely be in a moral space, as well.

Finally, your comment that "[i]f investors have a issue with that they may choose to invest in more socially conscience companies" is bang-on accurate.  When reasonable and without being a zealot about it, we absolutely do strongly prioritize investments and companies that have a social conscience.

Thanks again for your thoughts on this!

 Sounds like a nice goal, but I am not sure how you can really be sure you're not causing misery. When I invest in a 200-unit apartment complex, I have noticed there are a few evictions just about every month. I have no idea whether these tenants "deserved" to be put on the street. In fact, I don't know the story of any of the 200 families living in the community of which I am a partial owner. What if you improved the lives of 150+ families by evicting 40 of their neighbors? Maybe in some cases there is a nice family with one troublemaker son...or maybe the children are lovely but the breadwinner is irresponsible with his money. Who knows...

If it were not profitable to provide (relatively) affordable housing, maybe some of these people wouldn't have homes at all. I can assure you the supply would be lower. 

I do think about the ethics of just about any business though. What about stores who sell $300 basketball shoes, or $1,000 tire rims? Should they close up because many of their customers might have better uses for that money? Or are they just fulfilling a market need?

Post: Canadian Looking to Invest in your Neighbourhood....USA....

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Jim Cummings:

@Frank D. Presuming you are NOT relocating South of the Border, suggest you consider investing a sizable portion of the proceeds into a Passive Apartment Investment Syndication run by a top notch syndicator. 

 I think that is a good approach too. It will take some due diligence to make sure you can trust the syndicator, but after that, no work at all. 

Post: Mentoring Cost $20,000

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:

Way back in my super early newbie days I almost fell for a scammy guru named Phil grove in the dfw area.  (He runs the same thing in Austin and Houston etc).  And that was only for a thousands bucks or so.

I actually filled out the authorization form that night at the event, went home, googled his name and found all the BS stuff.  

I called my bank first thing the next day and cancelled the card, which voided the payment.  BP saved me a thousand bucks that day.   

Haven’t had that happen again and I’m super picky about what real estate stuff I attend now because if I even get the hint of a sales pitch, I’m gone and I’m likely not coming back.

 I attended one of their free events when I was starting out too. I didn't go for the "big event" they were pitching, but when you're brand new, you do still pick up some valuable knowledge at those things. 

Post: Becoming a real estate agent

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
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Originally posted by @Zachary Grauer:

@Paul B. Good to know. It seems like many multifamily investors come from places outside real estate. I'm thinking becoming a property manager would be a good way to go. But it seems like most aren't paid enough to invest in something like 32 units+

 You may be right. Of the sponsors I mentioned before, virtually all of them were well-paid in another industry before they decided to get into real estate. Becoming a property manager might be a good way to get some experience in the business in general, but you may not be paid well. Perhaps you could do it as a stepping-stone, but I don't think it's a great long term career, unless you start your own company and it is successful, and it would take time to get there. 

Post: Apartment Mentoring Education syndication programs

Paul B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 501
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I'm a student of Brad Sumrok's program, and have found it to be worthwhile. I don't believe his students have closed any deals in Nashville or Charlotte but there has been at least one in Atlanta. The model he teaches would work well in those markets, but he just doesn't have as many students in those places as he does in Texas. Search his name on this site and you will find some good threads discussing the program and you can decide if it's right for you.